Day After Thoughts

[Rock Slamdance]

David Lafluer. Mike Lucky. Arguing about which JAG RB is faster.

Epic Thread.

 

[Omegasupreme]

Cool

This is exciting. Hercules. Hercules.

20 is a lot of receptions, especially when last year was almost the tilt overload of passes attempted and this year most likely will have considerably less passing attempts than 648 and completions of 425. So before Pablo gets fed his share, Dez, Miles, Witten, (#3WR Harris or Williams), Murray, and the 3rd Down RB will be fed first. The combination of completions to Dez, Miles and Witten should probably be around 250 total and the next three should be around 100 total. After Beasely and WR #4, how many passes are left for Pablo?

 

[GloryDaysRBack]

21

 

[Omegasupreme]

:jerry2

 

[Hoofbite]

Way over 20 catches.

400 plus yards and 4-5 TDs

I doubt he gets to 400 yards. He's not going to be on the field enough when the team is moving the ball. He can't block so that limits his availability from the outset. Not to mention the 3WRs sets are far more productive.

He'll get his redzone chances and if the team forces it to him he might get 4-5 TDs.

 

[Hoofbite]

How else do you explain this team barely using the 12 formation in the preseason? There is none. We aren't showing it. Jerry even said we are holding back. So did romo last night on the sideline interview.

What are you talking about? They ran from the 12 formation 22 times against Cincy. Who knows how many times they passed.

This team has only used that formation at most like 1/3rd of the time since they start jacking off to it. What you've seen is what you are probably going to get.

 

[Hoofbite]

Escobar is horrible at blocking and has no strength at all.

The 12 is supposed to present matchup problems because the TEs are too strong for the DBs and too athletic for the LBs. Well, aside from looking less than advertised in athleticism, Escobar might be one of the weakest players on the team. I'd bet he would struggle to block Dan Bailey and that's not a joke.

What this means is that teams can simply play a DB against him at all times. When he's split out, they have a DB ocver and the athletic advantage is diminished. When he goes into block, they'll just keep the DB on him because he struggles to consistently block anyone. That's what happens when you can't block. Teams aren't going to respect it as a threat and they'll basically play you as though you are asking a WR to line up outside the tackle and block.

Escobar hasn't shown anything to suggest he can really contribute this year. He can't block and isn't all that damn fast or agile. If I were a DC, I'd assign the guy with the shittiest coverage ability on the field at any given moment to line up across from him and jam him at the line. He wouldn't be able to get away from it in time and he'd be completely neutralized.

 

[GloryDaysRBack]

So is Hanna awful too? He's done nothing in preseason as well. He showed ability to get down field last season. Him and esco will share those routes this year and there will be many more of them than last yr. we haven't sent either TE on routes down the field. We've had both of them primarily in to block during preseason. I'm just assuming the team knows they suck at blocking and will start using them at what they're good at...receiving.

 

[peplaw06]

Escobar is horrible at blocking and has no strength at all.

The 12 is supposed to present matchup problems because the TEs are too strong for the DBs and too athletic for the LBs. Well, aside from looking less than advertised in athleticism, Escobar might be one of the weakest players on the team. I'd bet he would struggle to block Dan Bailey and that's not a joke.

What this means is that teams can simply play a DB against him at all times. When he's split out, they have a DB ocver and the athletic advantage is diminished. When he goes into block, they'll just keep the DB on him because he struggles to consistently block anyone. That's what happens when you can't block. Teams aren't going to respect it as a threat and they'll basically play you as though you are asking a WR to line up outside the tackle and block.

Escobar hasn't shown anything to suggest he can really contribute this year. He can't block and isn't all that damn fast or agile. If I were a DC, I'd assign the guy with the shittiest coverage ability on the field at any given moment to line up across from him and jam him at the line. He wouldn't be able to get away from it in time and he'd be completely neutralized.

Exactly. And if he's just going to be a bigger, slower WR, why not just run 3 WR out there?

 

[peplaw06]

So is Hanna awful too? He's done nothing in preseason as well. He showed ability to get down field last season. Him and esco will share those routes this year and there will be many more of them than last yr. we haven't sent either TE on routes down the field. We've had both of them primarily in to block during preseason. I'm just assuming the team knows they suck at blocking and will start using them at what they're good at...receiving.

But the whole point of the 12 is that you present dual threats to the defense. If Escobar is a liability in the run game, and defenses can play coverage on him and not be put in a bad position, then the 12 becomes a waste of time.

 

[GloryDaysRBack]

They don't need to be great blockers for the ground game to work.

 

[Bluenoser]

Dez for prez want some action on this too?

I would do a faggy forum bet but since I don't really post all that much it would make much sense from your position.

 

[junk]

But the whole point of the 12 is that you present dual threats to the defense. If Escobar is a liability in the run game, and defenses can play coverage on him and not be put in a bad position, then the 12 becomes a waste of time.

Exactly. On paper, I agree the two TE offense should be pretty dynamic and hard to defend if you have the right players to implement it.

The problem is that to make it work you need such special players (TEs that can not only catch, but stretch the field AND block well) that it never really works all that well. As a result, it becomes just another sub-package. And, if it is a sub-package, you don't need to keep throwing resources at it.

What is going to make your offense more productive? Another TE or an OL that can run block and keep your QB upright?

Three wide packages are going to be more effective.