Damned Tony Romo

[marionbarberthe4th]

So what like 4-6

 

[marionbarberthe4th]

What about lose and you're out

 

[Hoofbite]

What about lose and you're out

Yeah, looks like Week 17s and beyond are the only big games ever.

 

[jnday]

Here's the problem with that... you trying to limit it to "big games" gives a vague qualification to begin the conversation. You're probably going to discount the game against the Saints and Bengals last year, but pump up the Redskins game because it fits your argument. That's exactly the point I'm trying to make. Romo haters have a biased view of his accomplishments, and claim they're not good enough because there have been failures.

That's why an article like this, where the numbers are easy to qualify... 4th quarter comebacks... is so much more convincing. The NFL is a league of parity by design. It doesn't matter who you're playing, a 4th quarter comeback should be a credit to the QB, especially when you have 5 in one season. It shouldn't be dismissed because of some subjective standard such as, "the game wasn't a big game."

I will make it easy for you. Big games have involve the playoffs, a national broadcast game, or a game played during prime time. These have to be games against teams with a winning record as well. I think a comeback against a quits team with a winning record is much harder to come by, so no, all comebacks are not created equal. How many games has Romo played well in that involved a NFCE championship? I have 't looked it up, but I would be curious to know his QB rating in these games. Do you deny that he has blew up in several games that fits my definition of a big game? I am not impressed by his comebacks or his play against teams that have .500 records. Average QBs can look great in those games. If Romo was the great QB that you think, he would have a long list of great games played and great comebacks against top tier teams. I don't remember many against top teams and he seems to let the pressure get to him more as he gets older.

 

[jnday]

Big game = win and you're in
Big game = title game (Divisional title, NFC title, SB title)
Big game = playoff game

With Romo, I consider a big game as a game against a team with a solid winning record. I will even include Thanksgiving games, Sunday night and Monday night games. I am trying to give pep plenty of room to find some games that Romo came up big against winning teams or even made a comeback. I will give him credit for the 2009 Saints game, but those games are few and far between.

 

[bbgun]

I am trying to give pep plenty of room to find some games that Romo came up big against winning teams or even made a comeback.

That "big" game against the Giants two years ago was absolutely in the win column until the defense spit the bit. Even then, Romo navigated the offense into FG position, only to see Coughlin call a timeout (ruining the tying FG) and then JPP blocks the ensuing kick.

 

[jeebus]

That "big" game against the Giants two years ago was absolutely in the win column until the defense spit the bit. Even then, Romo navigated the offense into FG position, only to see Coughlin call a timeout (ruining the tying FG) and then JPP blocks the ensuing kick.

Romo is such a choker

 

[Bluenoser]

I'm just glad we don't have the biggest choker ever, Aaron Rodgers. At least he can throw a football into a garbage can from 40 yards away.

Thanks to our friends over at coldhardfootballfacts.com, we learned a few things about the best and worst starting quarterbacks in the league. A stat that stood out most notably was one that belonged to Aaron Rodgers, and it was not good. Surprisingly, Green Bay’s franchise quarterback is one of the least clutch quarterbacks when it comes to bringing his team back from behind in the 4th quarter. According to coldhardfootballfacts.com, “the worst records for fourth quarter comeback opportunities against .500+ teams belong to Aaron Rodgers (0-17) and Cam Newton (0-10).

 

[jnday]

That "big" game against the Giants two years ago was absolutely in the win column until the defense spit the bit. Even then, Romo navigated the offense into FG position, only to see Coughlin call a timeout (ruining the tying FG) and then JPP blocks the ensuing kick.

I am not a Romo hater and will give him credit when due. I just don't understand how anybody can honestly say that he hasn't choked in several big game situations. To deny that it doesn't happen is letting the homer side of being a fan override reality.

 

[bbgun]

Oh, he's definitely choked. I'm just saying he'd have a few more "big game" scalps on his wall had others done their jobs.

 

[Hoofbite]

I'm just glad we don't have the biggest choker ever, Aaron Rodgers. At least he can throw a football into a garbage can from 40 yards away.

Thanks to our friends over at coldhardfootballfacts.com, we learned a few things about the best and worst starting quarterbacks in the league. A stat that stood out most notably was one that belonged to Aaron Rodgers, and it was not good. Surprisingly, Green Bay’s franchise quarterback is one of the least clutch quarterbacks when it comes to bringing his team back from behind in the 4th quarter. According to coldhardfootballfacts.com, “the worst records for fourth quarter comeback opportunities against .500+ teams belong to Aaron Rodgers (0-17) and Cam Newton (0-10).

That's likely a stat that loses it's luster once you take a little harder look.

 

[ThoughtExperiment]

Yeah, I think I would take Aaron Rodgers on my team.

 

[jnday]

Oh, he's definitely choked. I'm just saying he'd have a few more "big game" scalps on his wall had others done their jobs.

I agree with that. There is a portion of the fan-base that that don't blame him any of the chokes. That's not right.

 

[marionbarberthe4th]

Were you choking on dick when you typed that

 

[peplaw06]

I will make it easy for you. Big games have involve the playoffs, a national broadcast game, or a game played during prime time. These have to be games against teams with a winning record as well. I think a comeback against a quits team with a winning record is much harder to come by, so no, all comebacks are not created equal. How many games has Romo played well in that involved a NFCE championship? I have 't looked it up, but I would be curious to know his QB rating in these games. Do you deny that he has blew up in several games that fits my definition of a big game? I am not impressed by his comebacks or his play against teams that have .500 records. Average QBs can look great in those games. If Romo was the great QB that you think, he would have a long list of great games played and great comebacks against top tier teams. I don't remember many against top teams and he seems to let the pressure get to him more as he gets older.

I'm not gonna go do your research for you. If you want to try to redefine the premise of the article, then get happy and do it yourself.

I don't deny he has had failures in big games (though I still don't like the subjective nature of defining a big game). I think most QBs fail at some point in big games. I think all QBs fail at times whether it's a big game or not. That's the great thing about this article. It compares Romo to his competition, as opposed to comparing Romo to whatever unreasonable expectations you personally have for him.

 

[peplaw06]

I am not a Romo hater and will give him credit when due. I just don't understand how anybody can honestly say that he hasn't choked in several big game situations. To deny that it doesn't happen is letting the homer side of being a fan override reality.

Literally no one has said that in this thread.

 

[jnday]

Literally no one has said that in this thread.

No, but too damn many excuses have been made for him IMO. He has screwed up enough that I have come to expect it. You have a problem with my unreasonable expectations . I don't see where expecting him to pull some of these games out against the better teams in this league is unreasonable. I can make it easy if you want my definition of big game. I will lower my expectations to how he plays against teams with winning records. Being a hero against a scrub team doesn't mean much to me.

 

[peplaw06]

No, but too damn many excuses have been made for him IMO. He has screwed up enough that I have come to expect it. You have a problem with my unreasonable expectations . I can make it easy if you want my definition of big game. I will lower my expectations to how he plays against teams with winning records. Being a hero against a scrub team doesn't mean much to me.

So are you saying he never gets a win against opponents with winning records?

 

[jnday]

So are you saying he never gets a win against opponents with winning records?

I am saying that he doesn't have the comebacks against the good teams. The last time they played the Redskins is an example. A more recent example is last week.

 

[marionbarberthe4th]

*both sides afraid to look further Into it game by game *