Cowboys wish list at No. 9 has four linemen

[dbair1967]

Give me one example of Kiper changing his mind on a player right after he was drafted.

Drafts like 1995 and 2001? How about 1994, 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2002, 2004, 2006, 2007 and 2009?

And the jury's still out on 2008 and 2010.

I gave you one a few weeks ago, Shante Carver. I quoted Kiper directly from his 1994 Draft Guide, he loved the guy. Even called him "one of my favorite players in this draft"

Then he totally turned on him after the pick and roasted the Cowboys for taking him.

Not all the drafts you listed were failures either.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Free is a backup LT masquerading as a starter. .

Stupid.

 

[sbk92]

I gave you one a few weeks ago, Shante Carver. I quoted Kiper directly from his 1994 Draft Guide, he loved the guy. Even called him "one of my favorite players in this draft"

Then he totally turned on him after the pick and roasted the Cowboys for taking him.

Not all the drafts you listed were failures either.

I don't remember Kiper loving Carver. I suspect that's bullshat. I would have remembered it.

Mel's got a long line of wrong projections (a lot of right ones too) but I don't remember Carver being one of them. And I know he ripped our 94 class in his draft review.

 

[sbk92]

What drafts that I listed weren't failures?

 

[dbair1967]

I don't remember Kiper loving Carver. I suspect that's bullshat. I would have remembered it.

Mel's got a long line of wrong projections (a lot of right ones too) but I don't remember Carver being one of them. And I know he ripped our 94 class in his draft review.

Dude, I have the damn draft guide. If you'd like I will make you a copy of the page and mail it, scan it and email it or whatever. Stuff like this is why I call you a dipshit.

And its not about being right or wrong, nobody gets them all right. Its about him not even believing his own rankings to begin with. if he thought Carver was a scrub (as he clearly hinted in his draft review of the Cowboys) he should have said it all along.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Haven't we gone over Shante Carver-gate enough already?

 

[dbair1967]

What drafts that I listed weren't failures?

1998 definitely wasnt. In addition to getting good players in Ellis and Adams, they drafted Michael Myers, who was a solid role player for years for a couple teams. they also drafted Oliver Ross, who didnt do anything here but went on to become a dependable starter elsewhere (Steelers I think)

2002 they drafted 4 good players with their frist 4 picks. Unfortunately 2 of them ended up being supreme knuckleheads, one lost his mojo. But 3 of those 4 guys have played in probowls.

2007 looked really promising for awhile, now unless Spencer turns it around it would probably have to go down as a disappointment. Nick Folk was a great kicker for two years and Free is a good starter, whether you choose to admit it or not.

I still believe 2008 will end up looking good for us, but Jenkins has to revert to 2009 form.

 

[sbk92]

Which further proves your idiocy then.

The guy nails more picks annually in the first 100 than anyone else. There's a reason he does, because he doesnt use his opinions. He uses the opinions he's gathered from NFL people. You know, the people that actually get paid to do this?

You keep making these statements and they're still inaccurate. The Huddle Report does a yearly evaluation of this. Some years Goose is good, other years he isn't.

I don't know where he got the label most. accurate. out. there, but it's just not true.

Besides, he's an information gatherer. I'd rather listen to the talent evaluator. I don't care as much about where and when the player will go as much as I do how good the player will eventually be.

 

[sbk92]

1998 definitely wasnt. In addition to getting good players in Ellis and Adams, they drafted Michael Myers, who was a solid role player for years for a couple teams. they also drafted Oliver Ross, who didnt do anything here but went on to become a dependable starter elsewhere (Steelers I think)

Mike Myers sucked. He's was what Jason Hatcher is right now for this football team.

So now we're calling picks hits when the guy was a bust here but had a cup of coffee for another team?

Man that bar of yours is sure low.

2002 they drafted 4 good players with their frist 4 picks. Unfortunately 2 of them ended up being supreme knuckleheads, one lost his mojo. But 3 of those 4 guys have played in probowls.

Here are those 4 "good" players....

Roy Williams, Andre Gurode, Antonio Bryant, Derek Ross.

Only one of the four has had what you can call a good Cowboys career. Roy flamed out here. Bryant didn't play in any pro bowl as a Cowboy. I realize you have to stretch to support Jerry but you can't factor in other team's production to your draft class. Why the hell are you even calling Ross a good player?

That draft was a failure.

2007 looked really promising for awhile, now unless Spencer turns it around it would probably have to go down as a disappointment. Nick Folk was a great kicker for two years and Free is a good starter, whether you choose to admit it or not.

We got four players from it. Spencer, Free, Anderson and Ball.

An underachieving OLB, a LT who just earned a starting spot on a line with no other option, a bad FB and a bad DB.

Even if you think Free's the cat's ass, that isn't a good haul.

 

[dbair1967]

Mike Myers sucked. He's was what Jason Hatcher is right now for this football team.

So now we're calling picks hits when the guy was a bust here but had a cup of coffee for another team?

Man that bar of yours is sure low.

Myers didnt suck, he was what he was. A role player. A decent one. Then he ended up being a parttime starter elsewhere.

Here are those 4 "good" players....

Roy Williams, Andre Gurode, Antonio Bryant, Derek Ross.

They were good players. At times. RW looked like he might be a perennial probowler and potential defensive POY type guy, then flamed out. But there's no denying how good he was. Bryant and Ross both had alot of talent and even flashed the abiluty quite a bit (especially Bryant) but both had 10 cent heads. Gurode was a quality pick.

Only one of the four has had what you can call a good Cowboys career. Roy flamed out here. Bryant didn't play in any pro bowl as a Cowboy. I realize you have to stretch to support Jerry but you can't factor in other team's production to your draft class. Why the hell are you even calling Ross a good player?

I'm not supporting Jerry, and ultimately how players pan out in the pros is how you decide whether their pick was warranted or not. Wouldnt you agree? Its better if the guy works out for the team who drafts him obviously, but sometimes good players end up in bad situations. Ross was a good player by the way, albeit for only one season.

That draft was a failure.

Still dont agree, they drafted good players with the picks.

We got four players from it. Spencer, Free, Anderson and Ball.

I know the guys a kicker, but Folk was drafted that yr and he ended up inthe probowl, and had two outstanding years as a kicker. I think the injury ruined him but you cant deny that he wasnt a good pick. I already agreed with you about the rest of the draft. Although if Free continues to play well and the light would go on for Spencer again, this draft would be ok.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Outside of Flozell Adams, Greg Ellis, Terrence Newman, Bradie James and Andre Gurode, since 1998. We haven't drafted very many long-term starters, and that's pretty sad.

 

[dbair1967]

Outside of Flozell Adams, Greg Ellis, Terrence Newman, Bradie James and Andre Gurode, since 1998. We haven't drafted very many long-term starters, and that's pretty sad.

DeMarcus Ware and Marcus Spears were/are long term starters. Marion Barber was essentially the long term starter at RB, even when he was technically a backup. Roy Williams was a longterm starter. Jay Ratliff is a fixture. Miles Austin and Romo werent drafted but they are legit longterm starters that we got as rookies.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

DeMarcus Ware and Marcus Spears were/are long term starters. Marion Barber was essentially the long term starter at RB, even when he was technically a backup. Roy Williams was a longterm starter. Jay Ratliff is a fixture. Miles Austin and Romo werent drafted but they are legit longterm starters that we got as rookies.

I don't consider 5 years long term.

 

[dbair1967]

I don't consider 5 years long term.

ok, so what exactly is "long term"?

 

[Bob Sacamano]

ok, so what exactly is "long term"?

5+ years.

 

[pdom]

5+ years.

lol

 

[sbk92]

dbair is just digusting. That idiot will say anything in defense of the Cowboys. To the tune of players producing on other teams after flaming out here makes them good draft picks.

Mike Myers was a good player. So was Derek Ross.

WTF. Shoot yourself.

 

[sbk92]

Marion Barber was a long term starter even though technically he didn't start long term.