Cowboys wish list at No. 9 has four linemen

[cmd34]

I'll tell you right now if we draft Watt, Castonzo, or Solder at 9, I will be in full bash Jerry mode. That is awful.

I'll tolerate Castonzo because it finally addresses the O Line situation but Solder scares the crap out of me. Watt is not the #9 player in any draft. Damn I wish we had a real GM.

 

[dbair1967]

Bullshat. Your homerism won't go unchecked here.

Basically I'm out then till preseason then.

Just put me down for loving whatever we do, since you believe thats the way it is.

 

[sbk92]

I would think most objective Cowboys fans would hate Watt at 9.

 

[dbair1967]

I'll tell you right now if we draft Watt, Castonzo, or Solder at 9, I will be in full bash Jerry mode. That is awful.

I'll tolerate Castonzo because it finally addresses the O Line situation but Solder scares the crap out of me. Watt is not the #9 player in any draft. Damn I wish we had a real GM.

Gosselin has Watt at 11, so apparently there arnt alot of NFL people who agree with your assesment.

 

[sbk92]

Basically I'm out then till preseason then.

Just put me down for loving whatever we do, since you believe thats the way it is.

It's not just me. We all know that's the way it is.

Anybody who can make the statement that Jerry Jones is a changed man and you can tell that by how he hired Wade Phillips as head coach, after he hired an offensive coordinator, forfeits all rights to ever be taken seriously when the subject's the Cowboys.

 

[dbair1967]

I would think most objective Cowboys fans would hate Watt at 9.

Unless a team has totally melted down (ie, like us in 1995 or 2001) and done amazingly boneheaded stuff, its hard to hate a draft when its just happened.

Its 2-3 years before you know what you really got.

3yrs from now if the guy sux or is a Jacob Rogers of DE's, then we'll know it was a mistake.

That said, I dont think we're taking Watt at 9. I could see them moving to somewhere around 14-17 and taking Watt perhaps, but probably not before.

 

[dbair1967]

It's not just me. We all know that's the way it is.

Anybody who can make the statement that Jerry Jones is a changed man and you can tell that by how he hired Wade Phillips as head coach, after he hired an offensive coordinator, forfeits all rights to ever be taken seriously when the subject's the Cowboys.

ok...good job dipshit

 

[sbk92]

Oh wait..that's right. Goose is "the gold standard".

Gosselin has a pretty accurate mock some years. He's obviously got the sources to figure out what teams will do.

His top 100 value board means nothing to me.

 

[dbair1967]

Oh wait..that's right. Goose is "the gold standard".

Gosselin has a pretty accurate mock some years. He's obviously got the sources to figure out what teams will do.

His top 100 value board means nothing to me.

Which further proves your idiocy then.

The guy nails more picks annually in the first 100 than anyone else. There's a reason he does, because he doesnt use his opinions. He uses the opinions he's gathered from NFL people. You know, the people that actually get paid to do this?

 

[cmd34]

Gosselin has Watt at 11, so apparently there arnt alot of NFL people who agree with your assesment.

I still say Goose gets his info from sources in teams and he has a lot of sources inside the Cowboys. If the Cowboys have Watt that high and he feels they'll take him, he puts him high on his Top 100. Goose has admitted that he gets this info from teams. Robert Brewster was a 5th to 7th rounder on everyone else's board except Dallas and Chicago. Goose somehow has crappy Brewster in his Top 100 and we ned up taking him in the 3rd.

Goose is good but he goes from what he hears from NFL teams. He hears alot from his hometown team.

 

[sbk92]

That's a good point. His info probably is Dallas heavy.

Just the Brewster situation would leave you to believe that. The guy was a consensus 5th round pick at best.

 

[dbair1967]

I still say Goose gets his info from sources in teams and he has a lot of sources inside the Cowboys. If the Cowboys have Watt that high and he feels they'll take him, he puts him high on his Top 100. Goose has admitted that he gets this info from teams. Robert Brewster was a 5th to 7th rounder on everyone else's board except Dallas and Chicago. Goose somehow has crappy Brewster in his Top 100 and we ned up taking him in the 3rd.

Goose is good but he goes from what he hears from NFL teams. He hears alot from his hometown team.

He's addressed this in the past and it isnt true. Supposedly he has very little relationship with anyone in the Cowboys organization.

This was also brought up in a thread on CZ about the top-100 I believe.

 

[cmd34]

He's addressed this in the past and it isnt true. Supposedly he has very little relationship with anyone in the Cowboys organization.

This was also brought up in a thread on CZ about the top-100 I believe.

He has tons of sources inside Dallas. He was there the night Jerry "booted'" Jimmy. He works for the Dallas paper and is a NFL insider, there is no way he wouldn't have contacts within the team right down the street from him. Brewster is the proof. What is Gosselyn supposed to say? Yep, I put guy in my top 100 that I know Dallas will reach for ?

 

[dbair1967]

He has tons of sources inside Dallas. He was there the night Jerry "booted'" Jimmy. He works for the Dallas paper and is a NFL insider, there is no way he wouldn't have contacts within the team right down the street from him. Brewster is the proof. What is Gosselyn supposed to say? Yep, I put guy in my top 100 that I know Dallas will reach for ?

I cant stand the guy personally and have emailed him a number of times over the years. Just telling you what he has said. And it wasnt just said to me, several others noted the saem thing I just did.

I never said he didnt have any sources within the Cowboys organization, I said he doesnt have very strong relationships there. Certainly not like the sources some other writers have had within the team over the years.

 

[cmd34]

I cant stand the guy personally and have emailed him a number of times over the years. Just telling you what he has said. And it wasnt just said to me, several others noted the saem thing I just did.

I never said he didnt have any sources within the Cowboys organization, I said he doesnt have very strong relationships there. Certainly not like the sources some other writers have had within the team over the years.

I hear you and I believe that he said to you and others but I don't believe him. My buddy who works for the team says Goose hounds them for inside info. You start putting the pieces together and you come to the only logical conclusion.

 

[dbair1967]

I hear you and I believe that he said to you and others but I don't believe him. My buddy who works for the team says Goose hounds them for inside info. You start putting the pieces together and you come to the only logical conclusion.

It just doesnt make any sense though in this case, because Gosselin is almost always critical of what dallas does in regards to the draft, even to the point that he has ridiculed them over the years.

If his top-100 wasnt so accurate you might have a point, but simply pointing out because Gosselin had a guy like Robert Brewster rated in his top-100 and because Dallas drafted him in the 3rd rd, that the Cowboys were the only source for putting him there.

And if it were true, that the majority of his info came from one particular team (ie, the Cowboys as you suggest) wouldnt you then have to agree that whomever is stacking that board is doing a pretty good job? Because if they werent, his top-100 would be crap year in and year out.

 

[sbk92]

Maybe Goose is always critical of what the Cowboys do in the draft because the Cowboys have been one of the worst drafting teams for the better part of 16 years.

Some people say Kiper hates Dallas.

No. He just tells the truth. When you have a quality class, he'll let you know it.

 

[dbair1967]

Maybe Goose is always critical of what the Cowboys do in the draft because the Cowboys have been one of the worst drafting teams for the better part of 16 years.

Some people say Kiper hates Dallas.

No. He just tells the truth. When you have a quality class, he'll let you know it.

Thats fine, but dont go against your own rankings or player reviews in doing so. And thats been my problem with both (particularly Kiper) over the years. Gosselin gets more of a pass on this, as while he has a great top-100 he doesnt actually "rate" players himself.

Kiper on the other hand has routinely gone against his own rankings to slam teams (not just the Cowboys) for certain picks. He'll profess his admiration for a certain guy or his belief that this guy or that guy is a solid prospect, and then totally change his mind on or right after the draft weekend.

And Dallas has deserved criticism over the years for poor drafting, or poorly run drafts. Drafts like 1995 and 2001 are the types of years that can set you back quite a ways when you botch something so badly. Passing on a Tony Brackens to move down for Kavika Pittman and Clay Shiver, when your own scouts have the guy rated in the top-15 and your picking at 30 is stupid. Drafting a Dwayne Goodrich in round 2 is stupid.

 

[sbk92]

Thats fine, but dont go against your own rankings or player reviews in doing so. And thats been my problem with both (particularly Kiper) over the years. Gosselin gets more of a pass on this, as while he has a great top-100 he doesnt actually "rate" players himself.

Kiper on the other hand has routinely gone against his own rankings to slam teams (not just the Cowboys) for certain picks. He'll profess his admiration for a certain guy or his belief that this guy or that guy is a solid prospect, and then totally change his mind on or right after the draft weekend.

And Dallas has deserved criticism over the years for poor drafting, or poorly run drafts. Drafts like 1995 and 2001 are the types of years that can set you back quite a ways when you botch something so badly. Passing on a Tony Brackens to move down for Kavika Pittman and Clay Shiver, when your own scouts have the guy rated in the top-15 and your picking at 30 is stupid. Drafting a Dwayne Goodrich in round 2 is stupid.

Give me one example of Kiper changing his mind on a player right after he was drafted.

Drafts like 1995 and 2001? How about 1994, 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2002, 2004, 2006, 2007 and 2009?

And the jury's still out on 2008 and 2010.

 

[sbk92]

I guess you could say 1998 was decent. Ellis and Adams with the first two picks. After that it was a collection of garbage. And they had 7 more picks.

2007 netted Spencer, Free, Anderson and Ball. I suppose in comparison to most of the other years that looks good. To me, it's not. Spencer's been a below average player here for most of his career. Free is a backup LT masquerading as a starter. Anderson and Ball don't play on a good team.