CBO: 2.3 million jobs lost lost by 2021 due to Obama Care

[Rock Slamdance]

It's too coherant to be super punk

 

[Jon88]

It's him! I can tell!

 

[JBond]

Providing affordable healthcare for all of our citizens is not something we should do only if it advances the cause of capitalism. That's an idiotic viewpoint. Providing a disincentive to work for people who would not otherwise be working if there were other affordable options for healthcare for their family is kind of the entire fucking point of having an affordable health care system. This is somehow lost on the "if you're not creating money for the job creators you can kill yourself - or at the very least go without health insurance for your family" crowd.

WTF are you babbling about? It is not the role of the Federal government to provide "affordable healthcare for all of our citizens" and even if it was, they are failing horribly at it. How will adding new taxes on the industry and inserting thousands of bureaucrats and middle men into the healthcare process going to make it more affordable?

When the government is forced to tell bold faced lie after bold faced lie in order to pass a law and then turn around and exempt themselves and their big business partners and unions, how good of a law could it be? Silly little leftists are easily brainwashed by stupid platitudes.

Mother Jones, the nastiest little leftist site on the net, conservatively places the number of canceled plans due to Obama at 4.7 million. Only 363,000 have signed up on all of the exchanges combined according to the HHS. The government will not disclose how many of that number have actually made their payments.

So please explain how more people are insured and how it costs less. Where is the $2500 average saving on premiums for a family of four that your savior promised? The median income for a family of four in the US is about $67,000.

Using the Obama care site and plugging in the info for a average family of four results in $600 a month premiums with a $10,000 deductible on a lower silver plan. Those numbers do not include dental or vision. So the silly leftists think the average family should shell out over $17,000 a year of their after tax income for healthcare. Fucking brilliant.

 

[CobraKai]

How will adding new taxes on the industry and inserting thousands of bureaucrats and middle men into the healthcare process going to make it more affordable?

The same way that socializing anything makes it more affordable, genius. The role of the federal government is whatever we say it is, and right now, we say that it's role is to provide a market so that every American can have affordable health care.

 

[JBond]

The same way that socializing anything makes it more affordable, genius. The role of the federal government is whatever we say it is, and right now, we say that it's role is to provide a market so that every American can have affordable health care.

You need to take an economics class. How does increasing the costs decrease the costs? I'll wait.

Only Obama and his greedy whores want the ACA. The rest of the country does not. You are way in over your head chupacabra.

 

[VTA]

The same way that socializing anything makes it more affordable, genius.

Do you have any examples of this?

 

[JBond]

It's working well in Cuba.

 

[CobraKai]

Only Obama and his greedy whores want the ACA

I guess it's a good thing he won in a landslide re-election otherwise I might believe that he's the only person who wanted this thing.

 

[JBond]

I guess it's a good thing he won in a landslide re-election otherwise I might believe that he's the only person who wanted this thing.

So people like Obama care? Can you provide some numbers to back that up?

 

[JBond]

Right wing propaganda channel CNN: Only 35% of those questioned in the poll say they support the health care law
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.co...heath-care-law-support-drops-to-all-time-low/

Rasmussen Poll: Obamacare Opposition Reaches All-Time High
Only 19 percent of respondents think their healthcare will be better by the end of the year than it is currently.
http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/Obamacare-opposition-highest-poll/2014/01/06/id/545534

Silly chupacabra, come back with some facts.

 

[JBond]

The same way that socializing anything makes it more affordable, genius.

Before the Affordable Care Act, a person living just above poverty couldn’t afford health insurance, and if an illness or injury happened that individual used the emergency room. Because the person couldn’t pay the bills, the hospitals and doctors absorbed the costs by raising prices on those who could pay.

In the end, the bulk of these costs were paid by the taxpayers.

Under the Affordable Care Act, a person living just above poverty obtains heavily subsidized health insurance. He receives medical treatment and incurs several thousand dollars of debt in deductibles and out-of-pocket expenses. At his income level, he can’t pay these expenses so the hospitals and doctors absorb the costs.

What happens next? We can’t boot these people out of the health-care system, so what do we do?

The only solution is to continue taxpayer assistance.

Basically, one taxpayer-supported health system has been replaced by another taxpayer-supported health system. What’s different?

 

[Future585]

The same way that socializing anything makes it more affordable, genius. The role of the federal government is whatever we say it is, and right now, we say that it's role is to provide a market so that every American can have affordable health care.

Socializing doesn't make anything more affordable. It makes it more affordable for people who have no problem poaching other people's taxes. And, considering the fact that it provides a disincentive to work, more people are comfortable without even searching for a job, hurting the economy and making socialism exponentially more expensive.

People point to Canada, but the difference between Canada and the U.S. is that the Canadian govt. at least makes people pull their own weight. You can't just show up and get free health care or whatever. To become a Canadian citizen and take advantage of their programs, it takes a long time and you have to prove that you are going to have a successful career. In the U.S., you just have to show up b/c liberal pussies feel bad saying no.

I guess it's a good thing he won in a landslide re-election otherwise I might believe that he's the only person who wanted this thing.

The only he won either time is because of a combination of the fact that the American public is ridiculously uneducated about any of the issues, Obama became a part of pop culture, and the libs came up with this brilliant plan to try to guilt and shame people on the fence into voting for Obama. The vast majority of people who adamantly support Obama have no idea what they are talking and don't have the sac to form their own opinion or don't take the time to look at facts and consider the long-term effects of what their vote means.

Using the support of the American public as a basis for a pro-Obama argument is about the most retarded thing you could ever do. Millions of Americans like the Bieber...hell, millions of us idiots pay money to see the Cowboys play. The American public is stupid, and has no credibility at all in matters like this.

 

[CobraKai]

So people like Obama care? Can you provide some numbers to back that up?

Here's a number for you - we 1 the elections, passed it into law and had it verified by the supreme court. stfu about how America doesn't want this.

 

[CobraKai]

Before the Affordable Care Act, a person living just above poverty couldn’t afford health insurance, and if an illness or injury happened that individual used the emergency room. Because the person couldn’t pay the bills, the hospitals and doctors absorbed the costs by raising prices on those who could pay.

In the end, the bulk of these costs were paid by the taxpayers.

Under the Affordable Care Act, a person living just above poverty obtains heavily subsidized health insurance. He receives medical treatment and incurs several thousand dollars of debt in deductibles and out-of-pocket expenses. At his income level, he can’t pay these expenses so the hospitals and doctors absorb the costs.

What happens next? We can’t boot these people out of the health-care system, so what do we do?

The only solution is to continue taxpayer assistance.

Basically, one taxpayer-supported health system has been replaced by another taxpayer-supported health system. What’s different?

Do you realize you just basically asked me how insurance works?

 

[CobraKai]

Socializing doesn't make anything more affordable.

I guess you prefer the a la carte version of law enforcement, where if you need police assistance you shoulder the entire burden yourself.

 

[Future585]

Here's a number for you - we 1 the elections, passed it into law and had it verified by the supreme court. stfu about how America doesn't want this.

"The CNN survey found that just 35 percent of Americans approve of Obamacare, down five points since late November."
http://swampland.time.com/2013/12/23/obamacare-approval-ratings-hit-record-low/

From December. Clearly, you have no idea what you are talking about.

 

[Future585]

I guess you prefer the a la carte version of law enforcement, where if you need police assistance you shoulder the entire burden yourself.

Let's say a cancer treatment costs $100,000. Regardless of my insurance plan, that's what it costs. Fewer people aren't going to get cancer because of Obamacare, the only difference is who pays for it.

And yes, you shoulder the burden of police by paying freaking taxes. I shouldn't have to pay more than you to get the same police response.

 

[CobraKai]

I shouldn't have to pay more than you to get the same police response.

Exactly. Hopefully someday that's where we get with the ACA. Right now it's kind of a shit-show (hence the low approval numbers, dipshit) because we didn't actually socialize medicine, we just took the first step. We couldn't socialize medicine because people who pay lip-service to worshipping capitalism believe people are tax-revenue-producing cattle, and if they're not producing tax revenue they don't deserve health care so they hamstrung the bill at every turn and threw in some loopholes for good measure. With any luck we'll get to the resolution you described above sooner than later.

 

[Future585]

Exactly. Hopefully someday that's where we get with the ACA. Right now it's kind of a shit-show (hence the low approval numbers, dipshit) because we didn't actually socialize medicine, we just took the first step. We couldn't socialize medicine because people who pay lip-service to worshipping capitalism believe people are tax-revenue-producing cattle, and if they're not producing tax revenue they don't deserve health care so they hamstrung the bill at every turn and threw in some loopholes for good measure. With any luck we'll get to the resolution you described above sooner than later.

Wtf are you talking about. Police is already socialized...you can always pay for extra security or some shit.

Nobody pays more or less than other people for the same treatments.

If I get my car stolen, police should treat it the same way as if yours is.
If I break my arm, doctors will treat it the same way they would yours.

There are no different costs, just who pays for it. The public already pays for police. I shouldn't have to pay for you get healthcare because you were being an ass hole and fell out of a tree.

 

[CobraKai]

Like I said, that's the goal.