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I know this is alot of "words" and "facts" and it might be more difficult reading than "OBAMACARE WILL COST 2.5 MILLION JOBS GUYS" but if you want to learn what's in the report (short of reading it yourself, which sucks) here you go;

The Congressional Budget Office is out with its latest report on the Affordable Care Act, and here are a few bottom lines:

— The ACA is cheaper than it expected.
— It will "markedly increase" the number of Americans with health insurance.
— The risk-adjustment provisions, which Congressional Republicans want to overturn as a "bailout" of the insurance industry, will actually turn a profit to the U.S. Treasury.


Given all this, why are the first news headlines on the CBO report depicting it as calling Obamacare a job killer?

You can chalk up some of that to the crudity of headline-writing, and some to basic innumeracy in the press. But it's important to examine what the CBO actually says about the ACA's impact on the labor market. (You can find it at pages 117-127, excerpted here.)

The CBO projects that the act will reduce the supply of labor, not the availability of jobs. There's a big difference. In fact, it suggests that aggregate demand for labor (that is, the number of jobs) will increase, not decrease; but that many workers or would-be workers will be prompted by the ACA to leave the labor force, many of them voluntarily.

As economist Dean Baker points out, this is, in fact, a beneficial effect of the law, and a sign that it will achieve an important goal. It helps "older workers with serious health conditions who are working now because this is the only way to get health insurance. And (one for the family-values crowd) many young mothers who return to work earlier than they would like because they need health insurance. This is a huge plus."

The ACA will reduce the total hours worked by about 1.5% to 2% in 2017 to 2024, the CBO forecasts, "almost entirely because workers will choose to supply less labor — given the new taxes and other incentives they will face and the financial benefits some will receive." That translates into about 2.5 million full-time equivalents by 2024 — not the number of workers, because some will reduce their number of hours worked rather than leaving the workforce entirely.

The overall impact on the community will be muted, moreover, because most of that effect will be seen at the lowest levels of the wage-earning scale. The effect will be "small or negligible for most categories of workers," the CBO says, because there will be almost no impact on workers who get their insurance from their employers or who earn more than 400% of the federal poverty line (for a family of three, that's $78,120), the point at which eligibility for federal premium disappears.

As for labor demand, the CBO estimates that on balance, the ACA will increase aggregate demand for goods and services, in part by relieving lower-income people of the burden of health insurance or healthcare expenses, so they can increase their spending on other things. In turn, that will "boost demand for labor," especially in the near term, while the economy remains slack.

The rest of the CBO's economic and budgetary analysis has only modest changes from previous projections. It reduced its estimate of the net costs of the ACA by a vanishingly small $9 billion over 10 years compared to its previous estimate, issued in May. In part this is because many states failed to expand Medicaid, which would be almost entirely paid for by the federal government, and also because premiums are lower than it previously projected. Also, the problems of the healthcare.gov website reduced enrollments, cutting the government's bill for premium subsidies. Overall, the CBO reaffirmed its conclusion that that "the total effect of the ACA would be to reduce federal deficits."

The CBO report cuts the legs out from the GOP's attack on "risk corridors," a provision of the ACA that balances costs and expenses for insurance companies participating in the act by paying insurers whose coverage expenses exceed expectations by a certain margin in the first few years of the act, and collecting excess revenues from those whose expenses come in unexpectedly lower.

We've previously identified this GOP position as the most cynical attack on the ACA of all — the Republicans choose to call it a "bailout" of insurers; actually, it's a way of keeping premiums for some plans from getting out of hand, until the industry has more experience dealing with its new clientele. Unsurprisingly, the GOP is doubling down on this dishonesty by talking about eliminating the risk corridors as a condition for raising the federal debt limit.

The CBO, in any case, says that in 2015-2024, the government will pay out $8 billion in risk subsidies to the insurers but collect $16 billion. Real-world math says this is a gain to the Treasury of $8 billion; GOP math says it's a "bailout." You be the judge.

Regarding its most important bottom-line finding, the CBO says enrollment in individual insurance exchanges may reach only 6 million this year, down from its previous estimate of 7 million, thanks to the problems with the federal enrollment website, healthcare.gov. But it says enrollment will likely surge as the April 1 deadline for signing up approaches, and the 7-million goal is still attainable.

The ACA will increase the number of Americans with health insurance by 13 million this year, 20 million next year, and 25 million each year from then through 2024. Some 80% of those enrollees will be receiving federal subsidies to keep their coverage affordable.

There will be fewer uninsured people living in the United States, and most of those with individual coverage will be getting help to pay for it. Is there another other conclusion to draw from those statistics than the Affordable Care Act is working?

Unless you're a fan of 80 year old grandmas working so that they can afford to stay alive and pay for their medication, I don't see the issue.
 

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I know this is alot of "words" and "facts" and it might be more difficult reading than "OBAMACARE WILL COST 2.5 MILLION JOBS GUYS" but if you want to learn what's in the report (short of reading it yourself, which sucks) here you go;

Unless you're a fan of 80 year old grandmas working so that they can afford to stay alive and pay for their medication, I don't see the issue.

Sorry, but this guys thoughts - which btw aren't facts - are very pie-in-the-sky. An economist waving around old people and mothers as people not 'wishing to supply labor' as the ACA's target beneficiaries is absolutely ridiculous. Of course where he gets this notion is anybody's guess, but who needs that sort of info? This whole healthcare gambit isn't being sold to new moms and old folks; it's for people in lower income brackets who won't wish to 'supply labor' as the report eloquently puts it.

While the report certainly states that it won't reduce jobs themselves (opportunities), the reduction will be caused by people choosing not to work, (pgs 117-118 of the report as our friend vaguely excerpts).

The decline in full- time-equivalent employment stemming from the ACA will consist of some people not being employed at all and other people working fewer hours; however, CBO has not tried to quantify those two components of the overall effect. The estimated reduction stems almost entirely from a net decline in the amount of labor that workers choose to supply, rather than from a net drop in businesses’ demand for labor, so it will appear almost entirely as a reduction in labor force participation and in hours worked relative to what would have occurred otherwise

rather than as an increase in unemployment (that is, more workers seeking but not finding jobs) or underemployment (such as part-time workers who would prefer to work more hours per week).
CBO’s estimate that the ACA will reduce employment reflects some of the inherent trade-offs involved in designing such legislation. Subsidies that help lower- income people purchase an expensive product like health insurance must be relatively large to encourage a significant proportion of eligible people to enroll. If those subsidies are phased out with rising income in order to limit their total costs, the phaseout effectively raises people’s marginal tax rates (the tax rates applying to their last dollar of income), thus discouraging work. In addition, if the subsidies are financed at least in part by higher taxes, those taxes will further discourage work or create other economic distortions, depending on how the taxes are designed. Alternatively, if subsidies are not phased out or eliminated with rising income, then the increase in taxes required to finance the subsidies would be much larger.

The overall impact on the community will be muted, moreover, because most of that effect will be seen at the lowest levels of the wage-earning scale. The effect will be "small or negligible for most categories of workers," the CBO says, because there will be almost no impact on workers who get their insurance from their employers or who earn more than 400% of the federal poverty line (for a family of three, that's $78,120), the point at which eligibility for federal premium disappears.

No shit? So it basically states that lower income workers will be afforded the opportunity to not 'supply labor'?? Will this somehow level off the 'income equality' this bozo and his hangers on like to champion? Who the hell makes more than 400% above the poverty line??? Holy shit, can this get any more laughable?
 
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While the report certainly states that it won't reduce jobs themselves (opportunities), the reduction will be caused by people choosing not to work,

Exactly, so all the laughing above is nonsense. The implication of the study is that people will choose to leave the work force because the payoff is no longer there - i.e. people who were working solely so they could be insured no longer have to do so. It is most certainly NOT that "A historically high number of people will be locked out of the workforce by 2021" as the idiotic OP and associated articles from crappy media outlets suggested.

So grannies and mom's who had to put their babies in day care so they could afford insurance as a protection against getting sick and going bankrupt will be able to leave the work force, which will open those job opportunities up to others. As a proponent of traditional family I would think you'd be thrilled.
Who the hell makes more than 400% above the poverty line??? Holy shit, can this get any more laughable?

Are you joking? Lots of people who have a kid or two make more than 80k as a household per year. And they can usually afford their insurance anyway, which was the point of what you posted for inexplicable reasons. There won't be an impact - they're already insured.
 
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Exactly, so all the laughing above is nonsense. The implication of the study is that people will choose to leave the work force because the payoff is no longer there - i.e. people who were working solely so they could be insured no longer have to do so. It is most certainly NOT that "A historically high number of people will be locked out of the workforce by 2021" as the idiotic OP and associated articles from crappy media outlets suggested.

So grannies and mom's who had to put their babies in day care so they could afford insurance as a protection against getting sick and going bankrupt will be able to leave the work force, which will open those job opportunities up to others. As a proponent of traditional family I would think you'd be thrilled.

Political talking points don't thrill me. I know they're full of shit. It's the same sort of language used in 90's to inform us that homeownership is also a right and will help those 'single moms', wink wink. Did quite a number on our housing market, all of those defunct mortgages did't it? Now, we propose to do the samething to our health care industry. Something about banging your head against a wall and expecting different results comes to mind...

Are you joking? Lots of people who have a kid or two make more than 80k as a household per year. And they can usually afford their insurance anyway, which was the point of what you posted for inexplicable reasons. There won't be an impact - they're already insured.


The median US income is around 53000.00 The poverty line is 23000.00. That's far from 400% and 'lots of people' isn't really a quantifiable stat.
 

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Shhhh Don't tell Mid. I think he doesn't approve of political bitching.
 

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That explains your first post in this thread.

Oh yeah Fox again. :lol
The LA Times is FOX for the left. Next time you post an opinion piece remember that and don't mistake it for facts.
 

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Any time.

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They absolutely are not. They are the talking points you took from "wherever".

From the CBO testimony.

"The act creates a disincentive for people to work."

Why you believe adding more incentives for people to not work is a good thing is lost on me. The less they work they less they produce and the less they contribute in tax revenue. Reducing their income to receive more tax payer handouts is not good for the long term growth of the US. Moving the chairs around on the Titanic did not save the ship.

Reducing the number of hours people work, either because employers do not want to pay the ridiculous rates Obama has artificially created and have shifted workers to part time, or because individuals would rather have their neighbors pay their bills for them so they choose not to work, is not a good thing.
 
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Providing affordable healthcare for all of our citizens is not something we should do only if it advances the cause of capitalism. That's an idiotic viewpoint. Providing a disincentive to work for people who would not otherwise be working if there were other affordable options for healthcare for their family is kind of the entire fucking point of having an affordable health care system. This is somehow lost on the "if you're not creating money for the job creators you can kill yourself - or at the very least go without health insurance for your family" crowd.
 
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