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That really pissed me off. He humiliated Ogletree on national television when it wasn't his fault at all. And I never even liked Ogletree.
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Not many on this board know about the simple details of the passing game
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If Brady couldn't win championships in 2007 and 2009 with BELLICEK... do you really think, Fat Boy Wade would have won us championship even with Brady? Come on man. We did lose to them (Patriots) badly in 2007 remember? Brady has never played behind a bad OL, certainly not what Romo has been dealt with.
Thoughts on the Romo Extension
Contracts, Renegotiations
by jason
Big news of the day was the Dallas Cowboys giving Tony Romo a 6 year extension worth $108 million that will keep him in Dallas until 2019. Some people have gotten a little wrapped up in the overall value of the contract but it’s a number I had discussed in the offseason as a realistic point for him so I don’t think it’s surprising. The contract contains $55 million in guarantees of which $25 million come in the form of a signing bonus according to Todd Archer. $57 million will be paid in the first three seasons, though the 3 year new money average is $54 million.
Archer broke down the cap hits in his article which has Romo counting in excess of $20 million in 2014 and 2015 against the salary cap. The contract is clearly designed for the Cowboys to convert his base salaries in those seasons into prorated bonuses. If the Cowboys can keep Romo at those cap charges and not restructure him then the contract will likely end in 2016 when it becomes reasonable to absorb the dead money associated with cutting Romo. Every restructure adds at least 1 season to the real length of the contract so Dallas should only consider restructuring him in the future as a last resort.
I think a question that should be asked of the Cowboys is why did it take so long to get this deal done? Clearly there was no hard bargaining position being taken by Dallas as evidenced by the guarantees and overall contract value. Had they extended Romo back in February they likely could have done a better job of creating more team friendly restructures or avoided restructuring entirely some older and/or questionable talent who the Cowboys will now be stuck with for at least one more season.
Romo is always a polarizing subject because he is a great statistical QB but has failed to win any meaningful games in his career. QB’s are often paid for winning and Romo’s $18 million APY is the first non-winning QB to really break the barrier. Prior to Romo’s deal the closest would have been Mike Vick’s $16 million per year average with the Eagles and then Phillip Rivers and Matt Schaub both making over $15 million. Romo’s $18 million likely sets a new floor point for players such as the Lions’ Matt Stafford who are younger than Romo but also showing limited team success.
Contracts, Renegotiations
by jason
Big news of the day was the Dallas Cowboys giving Tony Romo a 6 year extension worth $108 million that will keep him in Dallas until 2019. Some people have gotten a little wrapped up in the overall value of the contract but it’s a number I had discussed in the offseason as a realistic point for him so I don’t think it’s surprising. The contract contains $55 million in guarantees of which $25 million come in the form of a signing bonus according to Todd Archer. $57 million will be paid in the first three seasons, though the 3 year new money average is $54 million.
Archer broke down the cap hits in his article which has Romo counting in excess of $20 million in 2014 and 2015 against the salary cap. The contract is clearly designed for the Cowboys to convert his base salaries in those seasons into prorated bonuses. If the Cowboys can keep Romo at those cap charges and not restructure him then the contract will likely end in 2016 when it becomes reasonable to absorb the dead money associated with cutting Romo. Every restructure adds at least 1 season to the real length of the contract so Dallas should only consider restructuring him in the future as a last resort.
I think a question that should be asked of the Cowboys is why did it take so long to get this deal done? Clearly there was no hard bargaining position being taken by Dallas as evidenced by the guarantees and overall contract value. Had they extended Romo back in February they likely could have done a better job of creating more team friendly restructures or avoided restructuring entirely some older and/or questionable talent who the Cowboys will now be stuck with for at least one more season.
Romo is always a polarizing subject because he is a great statistical QB but has failed to win any meaningful games in his career. QB’s are often paid for winning and Romo’s $18 million APY is the first non-winning QB to really break the barrier. Prior to Romo’s deal the closest would have been Mike Vick’s $16 million per year average with the Eagles and then Phillip Rivers and Matt Schaub both making over $15 million. Romo’s $18 million likely sets a new floor point for players such as the Lions’ Matt Stafford who are younger than Romo but also showing limited team success.
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http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nfl--t...thout-delivering-great-results-013440103.html
Sesame Street is not normally a place you would go for high-level football analysis, but occasionally even The Count can help decipher good cap management from bad.
With that in mind, here's a list of NFL quarterbacks who have received contract extensions that included at least $48 million paid over the first three years (as noted by NFL.com's Albert Breer shortly after Romo's six-year, $108 million deal was announced). The three-year total is important because most contracts are relatively easy for a team to get out of after that time:
• Tom Brady: $48.5 million in 2010
• Eli Manning: $49 million in 2009
• Peyton Manning: $58 million in 2012
• Drew Brees: $61 million in 2012
• Joe Flacco: $62 million in 2013
• Tony Romo: $57 million in 2013
To borrow a line from the folks at the children's TV show, one of these things is not like the other. One of these things just doesn't belong.
Yeah, that's Romo, who unlike the other five guys on that list has yet to win a Super Bowl (let alone two for Eli and three for Brady). Heck, as former NFL quarterback Donovan McNabb noted via Twitter, Romo has only won one playoff game.
Now, don't take this the wrong way: business is business. Romo, who has high-powered agents Tom Condon and Ben Dogra working for him, deserves whatever he can get. He also had plenty of leverage based on the fact that he could void his contract after this season and not be franchised by Dallas.
The real problem in all of this is how the Cowboys continue to do business. Dallas continues to pay its players and manage its team as if it has actually accomplished something. This is a team with an array of reported bloated contracts, from offensive tackle Doug Free (four years, $32 million) to defensive tackle Jay Ratliff (five years, $40 million) to wide receiver Miles Austin (six years, $54 million) to cornerback Brandon Carr (five years, $50 million) to defensive end/linebacker Anthony Spencer, who is being paid $10.6 million for one year on the franchise tag.
Like Romo, the Cowboys have given Spencer a lot of leverage if they want to get his salary cap number down with a long-term contract.
Cowboys owner/general manager Jerry Jones has given too many people on his roster way too much comfort, way too much artificial belief that they are actually great when they are anything but.
Yes, Dallas has the makings of a good team and Romo is perfectly capable of leading this team to a Super Bowl title. Talent is not the issue. Mindset is the problem. Former Cowboys coach Jimmy Johnson said it best last season when he blasted the team's country club-type atmosphere.
In the aftermath of that remark, Jones promised change. He promised that he was going to make people uncomfortable. He fired defensive coordinator Rob Ryan and even let head coach Jason Garrett twist in the wind a bit.
But less than three months after another disappointing season, Jones rewarded his top player with one of the richest deals in the history of the league. The same quarterback who once posed on a lounge chair in Los Cabos during the bye week before the playoffs now has Jones figuratively bringing him drinks poolside.
More ice, Mr. Romo?
This is why the Cowboys are mentally weak, a team incapable of living up to its talent. This is why Jones doesn't get it when people point out that he shouldn't be the GM. It's not because he's so bad at it. In fact, the talent level of the Cowboys is pretty good and the drafting has been OK lately.
The problem is that there's no checks-and-balance system with the Cowboys. The same guy who's writing the checks to make players feel good about themselves is the same guy who's balancing the books to make sure the results add up.
[Report: Raiders on the verge of landing QB Matt Flynn]<=Oh really?
Worse, there's no second person to be bad cop to Jones' good cop routine. Jones is becoming a latter-day Al Davis, a guy who loved his players and simply changed the coach when things didn't go right.
There's nobody in the organization to look at the players and say, "This isn't good enough." There's no one to tell Jones, "No, we don't pay players like this until they actually win."
No, there's just a lot of money flowing around to a lot of satisfied players.
Sesame Street is not normally a place you would go for high-level football analysis, but occasionally even The Count can help decipher good cap management from bad.
With that in mind, here's a list of NFL quarterbacks who have received contract extensions that included at least $48 million paid over the first three years (as noted by NFL.com's Albert Breer shortly after Romo's six-year, $108 million deal was announced). The three-year total is important because most contracts are relatively easy for a team to get out of after that time:
• Tom Brady: $48.5 million in 2010
• Eli Manning: $49 million in 2009
• Peyton Manning: $58 million in 2012
• Drew Brees: $61 million in 2012
• Joe Flacco: $62 million in 2013
• Tony Romo: $57 million in 2013
To borrow a line from the folks at the children's TV show, one of these things is not like the other. One of these things just doesn't belong.
Yeah, that's Romo, who unlike the other five guys on that list has yet to win a Super Bowl (let alone two for Eli and three for Brady). Heck, as former NFL quarterback Donovan McNabb noted via Twitter, Romo has only won one playoff game.
Now, don't take this the wrong way: business is business. Romo, who has high-powered agents Tom Condon and Ben Dogra working for him, deserves whatever he can get. He also had plenty of leverage based on the fact that he could void his contract after this season and not be franchised by Dallas.
The real problem in all of this is how the Cowboys continue to do business. Dallas continues to pay its players and manage its team as if it has actually accomplished something. This is a team with an array of reported bloated contracts, from offensive tackle Doug Free (four years, $32 million) to defensive tackle Jay Ratliff (five years, $40 million) to wide receiver Miles Austin (six years, $54 million) to cornerback Brandon Carr (five years, $50 million) to defensive end/linebacker Anthony Spencer, who is being paid $10.6 million for one year on the franchise tag.
Like Romo, the Cowboys have given Spencer a lot of leverage if they want to get his salary cap number down with a long-term contract.
Cowboys owner/general manager Jerry Jones has given too many people on his roster way too much comfort, way too much artificial belief that they are actually great when they are anything but.
Yes, Dallas has the makings of a good team and Romo is perfectly capable of leading this team to a Super Bowl title. Talent is not the issue. Mindset is the problem. Former Cowboys coach Jimmy Johnson said it best last season when he blasted the team's country club-type atmosphere.
In the aftermath of that remark, Jones promised change. He promised that he was going to make people uncomfortable. He fired defensive coordinator Rob Ryan and even let head coach Jason Garrett twist in the wind a bit.
But less than three months after another disappointing season, Jones rewarded his top player with one of the richest deals in the history of the league. The same quarterback who once posed on a lounge chair in Los Cabos during the bye week before the playoffs now has Jones figuratively bringing him drinks poolside.
More ice, Mr. Romo?
This is why the Cowboys are mentally weak, a team incapable of living up to its talent. This is why Jones doesn't get it when people point out that he shouldn't be the GM. It's not because he's so bad at it. In fact, the talent level of the Cowboys is pretty good and the drafting has been OK lately.
The problem is that there's no checks-and-balance system with the Cowboys. The same guy who's writing the checks to make players feel good about themselves is the same guy who's balancing the books to make sure the results add up.
[Report: Raiders on the verge of landing QB Matt Flynn]<=Oh really?
Worse, there's no second person to be bad cop to Jones' good cop routine. Jones is becoming a latter-day Al Davis, a guy who loved his players and simply changed the coach when things didn't go right.
There's nobody in the organization to look at the players and say, "This isn't good enough." There's no one to tell Jones, "No, we don't pay players like this until they actually win."
No, there's just a lot of money flowing around to a lot of satisfied players.
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Why is 48M his cutoff? Probably because $48 sounds really close to $50.
That or maybe $40M payed to Philip Rivers would just fuck up the whole train of though.
Or maybe $45M schedule to be paid to Vick.
Or, if you whip off 2011 because he joined the team halfway through the season and count the first full 3 years he would have been with the team, $40M to Carson Palmer would have really fucked things up.
Or $41M to Schaub.
Notice he also picked "extension" so as to cover his bases on all those shitty #1 overall contracts that were given out prior to the slotted pay.
That or maybe $40M payed to Philip Rivers would just fuck up the whole train of though.
Or maybe $45M schedule to be paid to Vick.
Or, if you whip off 2011 because he joined the team halfway through the season and count the first full 3 years he would have been with the team, $40M to Carson Palmer would have really fucked things up.
Or $41M to Schaub.
Notice he also picked "extension" so as to cover his bases on all those shitty #1 overall contracts that were given out prior to the slotted pay.
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90% of the people only think 10% of the time. who is thinking when, fluxuates.
people see x years, y dollars and simply react, not think. they don't put the whole picture together but yell at a piece cause that piece, they feel, tells the whole story.
it simply doesn't.
but it does tell me who is thinking, and who is reacting.
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not a single move.
most see a single move as the only move. not a part of a whole.
Don't recall anyone ever suggesting he did.