Archer: Nagy will be the starter against the Jets

[LAZARUS_LOGAN]

I'm interested to see how badly Costa and Nagy get ripped to shreds by Suh and Fairly.

Fairly has issues withy his foot.

 

[dbair1967]

I'm interested to see how badly Costa and Nagy get ripped to shreds by Suh and Fairly.

I dont think Fairley is even practicing right now.

 

[dbair1967]

I thought Nagy has played pretty well when given the chance. I'm scared as hell about our O-line though. 3 guys on the O-line who have never started a NFL game? Fuck me sideways....I sure hope the brass know what the hell they are doing.

Costa started one game last yr, I believe at G though.

 

[Cr122]

robphillips3 Rob Phillips
Jason Garrett indirectly stated his starting offensive line, barring injury: Doug Free, Bill Nagy, Phil Costa, Kyle Kosier, Tyron Smith.

I really thought Arkin would of won this job, but I have to say I'm impressed with the way Nagy stepped up.

 

[dbair1967]

I really thought Arkin would of won this job, but I have to say I'm impressed with the way Nagy stepped up.

I think Nagy had the advantage of being from a larger program and a much better weight program at Wisconsin. I dont think this is a slight to Arkin as much as its just Nagy is a litte ahead of him. he also played in a more pro style offense.

 

[LAZARUS_LOGAN]

I'm interested to see how badly Costa and Nagy get ripped to shreds by Suh and Fairly.

Is that what you are hoping, so that you can be right? I do not know why people question Costa's strength, when he's one of the strongest on the team. The guy's a powerlifter.

 

[Cr122]

Nagy gets an A for effort. He gets after players but he is slower to get his hands on the DL and he is beaten by initial moves too often. One of the Chargers (Antonio Garay I think, maybe Castillo) was beating him rather easily. This game, the Vikings were without Kevin Williams so he didn't see their best. Still, too many times I saw his player get under him and Nagy had to chase. I want my o-linemen dictating where the d line goes, not the other way around.

I know I have been going off since the Gurode release and it's not that I don't think Nagy can never be a decent player. My take is that he shouldn't be counted on to be starting already on September 11th against the Jets.

It seems to me now that we are in rebuilding mode which is too bad for guys like Romo, Witten, and Ware. This team was maybe 3 free agent signings (not necessarily huge money signings) away from being a Superbowl contender. IMO, we just needed a LG, a FS, and a 3rd WR.

I think it's a transition process more than a rebuilding one.

 

[jiggyfly]

Nagy gets an A for effort. He gets after players but he is slower to get his hands on the DL and he is beaten by initial moves too often. One of the Chargers (Antonio Garay I think, maybe Castillo) was beating him rather easily. This game, the Vikings were without Kevin Williams so he didn't see their best. Still, too many times I saw his player get under him and Nagy had to chase. I want my o-linemen dictating where the d line goes, not the other way around.

I know I have been going off since the Gurode release and it's not that I don't think Nagy can never be a decent player. My take is that he shouldn't be counted on to be starting already on September 11th against the Jets.

It seems to me now that we are in rebuilding mode which is too bad for guys like Romo, Witten, and Ware. This team was maybe 3 free agent signings (not necessarily huge money signings) away from being a Superbowl contender. IMO, we just needed a LG, a FS, and a 3rd WR.

The only thing negative I have seen from Nagy is getting pushed back on the initial bull rush, but even then he always keeps his feet and stays in front of his man.

He looks an awful lot like Kosier who has similar issues at the point of attack.

I have not seen him get beat on initial moves at all, he usually has great hand placement and is seldom chasing guys, that has been what is most impressive about him.

 

[cmd34]

The only thing negative I have seen from Nagy is getting pushed back on the initial bull rush, but even then he always keeps his feet and stays in front of his man.

He looks an awful lot like Kosier who has similar issues at the point of attack.

I have not seen him get beat on initial moves at all, he usually has great hand placement and is seldom chasing guys, that has been what is most impressive about him.

I counted 39 plays Nagy was in at LG. 1 was a QB kneel so let's go with 38 plays.

*13 plays he was either pushed back, fell down, or completely blown off the LOS.
For all of the talk of how athletic these linemen will be and that they will be able to pull effectively...
*4 plays where Nagy pulled, 2 times his man made the tackle, 1 time he overshot his man, and the other 1 he missed his man completely
*3 plays he was beaten but the play was opposite side so had no effect on play
*2 plays he comlpetely whiffed on the stunt (second man through), the second one led to a Romo sack
*5 plays he double teamed with Kowalski or Free
*6 plays were pass plays where he had no one to block (neither a neagtive or positive grade)

5 plays I felt he graded out well
*1 play he got to the second level quickly and kicked the LB completely out of the play(play 12)
*1 play he reacted well to inside move, and shoved man into Kowalski (play 16)
*1 play he followed the man who stunted and contained him (play 19)
*1 play was a run to his side and he contained his man (play 33)
*1 play, he finally wasn't shoved back on initial contact, and stood his man up.

He went against veteran Fred Evans (6-4/305) mostly. Rookie Christian Ballard (6-4/283) beat him for the sack.

He gets pushed back alot, sometimes right back into Romo. I'll give him credit for regaining his balance about half the time, but he is going to get shoved around by defenses. No way he can improve his strength sufficiently in time for the first few games. The Cowboys have Nagy listed at 6-3/299 and since he didn't go to the Combine I'm not sure what his actual height is, but he looks short. Like 6-1 maybe.

Also, Doug Free looked very good most of the night. Tackle shouldn't be an issue for this team for the next several years.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Nice write-up, cmd. So are you suggesting that we start Holland at LG?

 

[cmd34]

Nice write-up, cmd. So are you suggesting that we start Holland at LG?

Nope, suggesting we shouldn't have taken the position so lightly and addressed it with a veteran free agent. From the get go, our choices were :
Holland
a 4th round pick
a 7th round pick

 

[dbair1967]

Nope, suggesting we shouldn't have taken the position so lightly and addressed it with a veteran free agent. From the get go, our choices were :
Holland
a 4th round pick
a 7th round pick

They also had Gurode here, and they probably knew they could have re-signed Davis if they wanted to (and he's still available)

So your contention that Nagy really beat out "nobody" isnt really true.

Lastly, they never planned on Holland showing up out of shape and getting hurt. The plan was for him to start.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Planning for Holland to start isn't much of a plan at all. I agree with cmd's reasoning, I'm just more excited about what Nagy offers than he does.

 

[jiggyfly]

I counted 39 plays Nagy was in at LG. 1 was a QB kneel so let's go with 38 plays.

*13 plays he was either pushed back, fell down, or completely blown off the LOS.
For all of the talk of how athletic these linemen will be and that they will be able to pull effectively...
*4 plays where Nagy pulled, 2 times his man made the tackle, 1 time he overshot his man, and the other 1 he missed his man completely
*3 plays he was beaten but the play was opposite side so had no effect on play
*2 plays he comlpetely whiffed on the stunt (second man through), the second one led to a Romo sack
*5 plays he double teamed with Kowalski or Free
*6 plays were pass plays where he had no one to block (neither a neagtive or positive grade)

5 plays I felt he graded out well
*1 play he got to the second level quickly and kicked the LB completely out of the play(play 12)
*1 play he reacted well to inside move, and shoved man into Kowalski (play 16)
*1 play he followed the man who stunted and contained him (play 19)
*1 play was a run to his side and he conatined his man (play 33)
*1 play, he finally wasn't shoved back on initial contact, and stood his man up.

He went against veteran Fred Evans (6-4/305) mostly. Rookie Christian Ballard (6-4/283) beat him for the sack.

He gets pushed back alot, sometimes right back into Romo. I'll give him credit for regaining his balance about half the time, but he is going to get shoved around by defenses. No way he can improve his strength sufficiently in time for the first few games. The Cowboys have Nagy listed at 6-3/299 and since he didn't go to the Combine I'm not sure what his actual height is, but he looks short. Like 6-1 maybe.

Also, Doug Free looked very good most of the night. Tackle shouldn't be an issue for this team for the next several years.

Being pushed back is not always a negative Kosier gets pushed back plenty of times a game.

I will have to rewatch but I did not ever see him get completely blown up, the point remains he has looked at least serviceable as an NFL guard which is a win for any draft choice at this time there careers.

 

[LAZARUS_LOGAN]

Being pushed back is not always a negative Kosier gets pushed back plenty of times a game.

I will have to rewatch but I did not ever see him get completely blown up, the point remains he has looked at least serviceable as an NFL guard which is a win for any draft choice at this time there careers.

You can be pushed back, but as long as you hold your block, it's not a big deal.