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Aggiepride said:
What's your point? I'm talking about the Seahawks being in the thick of it to win the division. You're the one who threw the Super Bowl.

But the Seahawks have made many changes. So nobody yet knows how those changes will work out.

I like what the Seahawks have done-especially at the QB position. It's not so much that I think Darnold is great. Just in the sense that they are showing a willingness to not be beholden to one position or one player.
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Actually no, you did in my response to DLaw was no closer to a Super Bowl there and only went there for the huge payday.

And their "changes" are pretty meh so far. And how much better is Darnold going to play for them than Geno did? (who by the way, played pretty good). Darnold had a loaded Vikings offensive around him and had a great yr, right up to the biggest two games of the Vikes season where he was horrible in both. (week 17 and playoff game)

And the "point" apparently flew right over your head.
 
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Not in my mind. I would have sat him sooner because I wanted more losses. Jeanty would be assured of being a Cowboy.

Sometimes "dirty decisions" need to be made for the future good.
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Pretty dumb strategy IMO.

The only time a team should even be CONSIDERING something like is maybe if the #1 overall pick is on the line, and there's a consensus franchise QB sitting there (like Elway or Aikman). Trying to lose an extra game or two to move up a couple spots (where several teams are still ahead of you) assures you of nothing. You have no idea in December how teams will develop their draft boards or execute their draft plans. Teams can also always move up ahead of you (unless again, you have the #1 pick)

Lastly, the idea a team would WANT to lose for this kind of idea is super lame. Not all the guys just go through the motions to collect a check. Many WANT to win, many WANT to have individual success. Many guys are playing for future jobs. I played sports most of my life, I never wanted to lose nor did I want to be on teams where people didnt fucking care.
 
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dbair1967 said:
It was freaking pennies to the franchise dude...nobody sat him to "avoid" paying him that money.

They played Lance (way too late IMO but whatever) because to them, the season at that point was truly over and they wanted to give the guy a chance to play.
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I agree it’s peanuts to the organization but it’s not to the guy trying to earn it. Based on your argument why not pay him the $250k incentive since he was healthy, able to play and higher up on the depth chart?
 
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Monte300 said:
You might be the only person here that defends our boy Jerruh
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Not defending anything, just pointing out that its stupid to think Jones wanted to screw Cooper Rush out of some peanuts worth of money that amounts to nothing in the grand scheme of things.

They played Lance to give him a chance to perform and see what he could do, not just for the Cowboys but also so the kid could have some tape for other teams to see.
 
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Monte300 said:
I agree it’s peanuts to the organization but it’s not to the guy trying to earn it. Based on your argument why not pay him the $250k incentive since he was healthy, able to play and higher up on the depth chart?
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So your belief is the franchise shouldnt do what's best for their future, just so one player of fifty three gets to nab some extra playing time incentive money.

And my argument is no team should be TRYING to lose games, and no team should just "tank" games when the season is still in question. It's not fair to other players there who work their ass off and try to win, nor is it fair for the team's fan base and people who paid money to see games.

In this case, the season was over. The team had nothing to gain other than seeing players audition for a future here (or for the player, a chance to audition for the other 31 teams as well). Lance by all accounts had worked hard, they traded a 4th rd pick on the hope he might be part of a QB solution here (whether as a starter or a legit backup). It serves the franchise better at that point to see what Lance can do. I don't care about Cooper Rush's incentive money and no other team would either in this situation.
 
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I guess we just have to agree to disagree. Just curious since players ability to reach incentive goals is unknown, does incentive money paid have any bearing on the salary cap?
 
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Monte300 said:
I guess we just have to agree to disagree. Just curious since players ability to reach incentive goals is unknown, does incentive money paid have any bearing on the salary cap?
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Depends if its deemed "likely to be earned" or "not likely to be earned"

In his case since he's the backup QB it was not likely to be earned, so it wouldnt count towards the cap.
 
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Monte300 said:
Sit him final regular season game to avoid paying him an incentive? Damn skippy that’s dirty at least in my mind it is.
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Was it that or did they want to get one final look at Lance in a game before deciding on his future? Rush is a scrub. He's lucky to even have a paycheck.
 
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Was it that or did they want to get one final look at Lance in a game before deciding on his future? Rush is a scrub. He's lucky to even have a paycheck.
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If that’s the case Baltimore is paying a scrub six million a year for two years.
 
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Was it that or did they want to get one final look at Lance in a game before deciding on his future? Rush is a scrub. He's lucky to even have a paycheck.
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I don’t see Rush as a scrub. He won’t take a team deep into the playoffs but by backup QB standards a team can do much worse.
 
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dbair1967 said:
Pretty dumb strategy IMO.

The only time a team should even be CONSIDERING something like is maybe if the #1 overall pick is on the line, and there's a consensus franchise QB sitting there (like Elway or Aikman). Trying to lose an extra game or two to move up a couple spots (where several teams are still ahead of you) assures you of nothing. You have no idea in December how teams will develop their draft boards or execute their draft plans. Teams can also always move up ahead of you (unless again, you have the #1 pick)

Lastly, the idea a team would WANT to lose for this kind of idea is super lame. Not all the guys just go through the motions to collect a check. Many WANT to win, many WANT to have individual success. Many guys are playing for future jobs. I played sports most of my life, I never wanted to lose nor did I want to be on teams where people didnt fucking care.
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There was actually a shot at getting the number one pick.

You are naïve if you do not think players tank. They do, regardless of what people in the press like Mickey say. They do. They just do it in a way that is not obvious.

You live in a fairy tale. Do you know any actual NFL players? I graduated from TAMU. I know some. They are making business decisions. Nobody wants to spend their offseason in rehab to win meaningless games.

I saw basically the entire Bills team fold in the game that Kellen Moore started. That's why Kellen threw for so many yards. And that is a fact. Got it straight from the players mouth. They weren't going to risk injury. Having your wife deal with a person who can't walk, who can't go on vacation, who can't play with the kids, all to win a meaningless game?

The players who don't are the players fighting for a job. The Trey Lance's, the Duece Vaughan's, the Cooper Rush's. The stars make business decisions on every play.
 
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Aggiepride said:
There was actually a shot at getting the number one pick.

You are naïve if you do not think players tank. They do, regardless of what people in the press like Mickey say. They do. They just do it in a way that is not obvious.

You live in a fairy tale. Do you know any actual NFL players? I graduated from TAMU. I know some. They are making business decisions. Nobody wants to spend their offseason in rehab to win meaningless games.

I saw basically the entire Bills team fold in the game that Kellen Moore started. That's why Kellen threw for so many yards. And that is a fact. Got it straight from the players mouth. They weren't going to risk injury. Having your wife deal with a person who can't walk, who can't go on vacation, who can't play with the kids, all to win a meaningless game?

The players who don't are the players fighting for a job. The Trey Lance's, the Duece Vaughan's, the Cooper Rush's. The stars make business decisions on every play.
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this is honestly one of the more ridiculous posts I've ever read here....Zoner-like stuff here dude
 
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So your belief is the franchise shouldnt do what's best for their future, just so one player of fifty three gets to nab some extra playing time incentive money.

And my argument is no team should be TRYING to lose games, and no team should just "tank" games when the season is still in question. It's not fair to other players there who work their ass off and try to win, nor is it fair for the team's fan base and people who paid money to see games.

In this case, the season was over. The team had nothing to gain other than seeing players audition for a future here (or for the player, a chance to audition for the other 31 teams as well). Lance by all accounts had worked hard, they traded a 4th rd pick on the hope he might be part of a QB solution here (whether as a starter or a legit backup). It serves the franchise better at that point to see what Lance can do. I don't care about Cooper Rush's incentive money and no other team would either in this situation.
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Should and do have different definitions. What should be done is not the same as what is done.
 
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