2024 Week Fourteen: Cincinnati Bengals at Dallas Cowboys

[dbair1967]

 

[Aggiepride]

Bummer news, but we knew something was wrong with him.

Might be it for him here and if so, he's had an amazing career and is a sure fire first ballot HOFer. Damn shame that like so many others here, he never got to see the ultimate success because of the dipshit owner/GM and the ridiculous way he ran this team.

IMHO, he'll likely retire. Rumor has it he's been thinking about it. We'll see. At least Hoffman brings some possibility to that position. I'm not ready to pencil him in yet because I remember how Steele looked good and then....

But even when Hoffman played center, he did more than okay. Personally, I thought they'd play TJ Bass there.

 

[Aggiepride]

Because you were doing so much to help his cause when you were playing...

If Dak wants to help Mike win, then he needs to march into Jerry's office now and cut that 2025 salary cap hit from 33 percent to about 8 percent and not just spread it out over other years.

If he doesn't do that then all he is doing is bullshitting.

Jerry would probably keep McCarthy if Dak agrees to account for 8 percent of the cap, which is still millions.

Hire Belichick (if he'll take the job)!

 

[dbair1967]

Looks like the league is doing everything in their power to ensure a Chiefs-Lions Super Bowl.

I didn't watch any of the game but have seen a few of the clips, Peckers people have reason to be pretty mad today. Several awful calls and non-calls in Lions favor including an obvious offensive PI on the final drive of the game.

Even fans of other teams were commenting with things like "NFL is becoming unwatchable because games are obviously rigged" etc etc

 

[dbair1967]

 

[daboyz]

If Dak wants to help Mike win, then he needs to march into Jerry's office now and cut that 2025 salary cap hit from 33 percent to about 8 percent and not just spread it out over other years.

Hire Belichick (if he'll take the job)!

Having a different coach has helped this franchise how many times? NONE! Jerry will never give the full reins to a new HC. Belichick or the next "puppet" would just join the other past coaches by not being able to run or have full control of the team.

The past & future coaches will have their hands tied until Jerry steps aside, or in this case, dies. As dbair1967 posted recently, the best coach Dallas has had since Jerry took over was Jimmy. Keep in mind why Jimmy was the best coach. Jerry let him run the club at the beginning being Jerry just purchased it. Jimmy & Jerry feuded because of Jerry's constant involvement & Jimmy had enough. Jimmy is the only coach in Jerry's ownership that had full control of the Dallas Cowboys at one time.

But at the end of his tenure, he was tired of Jerry's decisions & left. Why be a HC if Jerry's telling you what to do while having no control whatsoever? Not a spot any future young HC's want to be in. Therefore, this franchise will continue being stale. No doubt in my mind, Prescott would be the highest paid player in the NFL had Jerry NOT have control of this team. Nor would Elliott be back. Just horrible decisions by the one & only, Jerry Jones!

Belichick is no dummy. His jet won't be landing in Dallas anytime soon!

Looks like the league is doing everything in their power to ensure a Chiefs-Lions Super Bowl.

I'm not buying into the League drama. Mahomes & Kelce Swifty club won't be the first to win 3 straight titles! Call it, Woman's intuition. Detroit/Buffalo

Remember last season the SB logo colors? Some fans believed the 2024 Super Bowl logo indicated that the Ravens & 49ers would play in the game.

 

[dbair1967]

This dude is awesome.

 

[icup]

 

[Maveric]

 

[Aggiepride]

Having a different coach has helped this franchise how many times? NONE! Jerry will never give the full reins to a new HC. Belichick or the next "puppet" would just join the other past coaches by not being able to run or have full control of the team.

The past & future coaches will have their hands tied until Jerry steps aside, or in this case, dies. As dbair1967 posted recently, the best coach Dallas has had since Jerry took over was Jimmy. Keep in mind why Jimmy was the best coach. Jerry let him run the club at the beginning being Jerry just purchased it. Jimmy & Jerry feuded because of Jerry's constant involvement & Jimmy had enough. Jimmy is the only coach in Jerry's ownership that had full control of the Dallas Cowboys at one time.

But at the end of his tenure, he was tired of Jerry's decisions & left. Why be a HC if Jerry's telling you what to do while having no control whatsoever? Not a spot any future young HC's want to be in. Therefore, this franchise will continue being stale. No doubt in my mind, Prescott would be the highest paid player in the NFL had Jerry NOT have control of this team. Nor would Elliott be back. Just horrible decisions by the one & only, Jerry Jones!

Belichick is no dummy. His jet won't be landing in Dallas anytime soon!

I'm not buying into the League drama. Mahomes & Kelce Swifty club won't be the first to win 3 straight titles! Call it, Woman's intuition. Detroit/Buffalo

Remember last season the SB logo colors? Some fans believed the 2024 Super Bowl logo indicated that the Ravens & 49ers would play in the game.View attachment 16164

When Parcells was here we moved in the right direction. He had some poor luck, but things were going in the proper direction. Unless you think Parcells lied, then he did say that he worked well with Jerry and Jerry did not interfere.

Parcells had Jerry's respect.

Don't you think Jerry would respect Belichick just the same if not more?

In the news about NC it says that Belichick wants a guarantee that his son would take over (talk about nepotism). That is what I would do.

Why?

Because what went wrong when Parcells left is that Parcells did not (for whatever reason, appoint his successor), so there was a kind of hiccup that happened instead of smoothly building on the culture that Parcells had and was building. Yes, I understand that Wade had good initial success, but the culture doesn't change in day. He benefitted from what Parcells left behind.

If you look at my past posts about this you'll see that I've been writing that we should hire Belichick and promise to make his son the next HC even before this North Carolina news broke. Let Belichick set the stage, and set the deck for his son. We'd have a good young HC with energy who has plenty of experience.

If we managed to hire Belichick, I think we'd be going in the right direction because more than anything what ails this team is the culture. It's NOT, for example, about how many Pro-Bowl players you draft. It's about drafting players that fit what you are trying to do.

I personally don't like McCarthy's approach of "just draft good players and I'll figure it out." Players need to mesh into a well-oiled machine. Each player needs to have a job. Hence "Just do your Job"! There needs to be a plan, a vision, for how each player works as part of the system.

THERE IS A HUGE difference between hiring Belichick and hiring, for example, Chan Gailey (just an example).

How Jerry views them is totally different. And any negation would involve Jerry agreeing to stay the fuck out or Belichick won't take the job. Jerry basically did this with Parcells.

 

[Aggiepride]

By the way, imagine if there had been some foresight and proper planning and Parcells could have promised Sean Payton that he'd be the next HC? I wonder if the topic was even broached.

 

[Aggiepride]

Looks like the league is doing everything in their power to ensure a Chiefs-Lions Super Bowl.

I didn't watch any of the game but have seen a few of the clips, Peckers people have reason to be pretty mad today. Several awful calls and non-calls in Lions favor including an obvious offensive PI on the final drive of the game.

Even fans of other teams were commenting with things like "NFL is becoming unwatchable because games are obviously rigged" etc etc

I do think the games are rigged to a degree. Refs call a game a certain way that favors the skill set of one team over the other. If, for example, a secondary likes to be grabby, maybe the refs don't call PIs as much.

Mahomes is the king of picking up extra yards after making it look like he will give himself up or go out of bounds. Personally, I think that it should not be allowed. QBs need to commit to it or the next time it should be perfectly fine for the defender to knock him into the stands.

 

[yimyammer]

When Parcells was here we moved in the right direction. He had some poor luck, but things were going in the proper direction. Unless you think Parcells lied, then he did say that he worked well with Jerry and Jerry did not interfere.

Parcells had Jerry's respect.

Don't you think Jerry would respect Belichick just the same if not more?

Nope, jeri only let Parcells in so he could get the stadium and was reportedly miserable having Parcells around & happy to send him packing because by that point the stadium was approved, financed and in process. The final death nail of any hope fans could influence jeri was sealed when the PSLs were sold. From that point forward, fans had zero leverage and it won't change in his lifetime

I cant find the source but I recall Parcells being quoted as saying something to the effect of "in no time, it'll be like I was never here" regarding his time in Dallas

Jeri no-doubt had a non disclosure agreement in his contract with parcels thus why Parcels doesnt publicly bad mouth him. Jones also had the contract state how credit would be dispersed between him & Parcels proving yet again what an insecure boob the owner is and always has been. Here's the excerpt from Parcels book where he mentions it:

 

[Aggiepride]

Nope, jeri only let Parcells in so he could get the stadium and was reportedly miserable having Parcells around & happy to send him packing because by that point the stadium was approved, financed and in process. The final death nail of any hope fans could influence jeri was sealed when the PSLs were sold. From that point forward, fans had zero leverage and it won't change in his lifetime

I cant find the source but I recall Parcells being quoted as saying something to the effect of "in no time, it'll be like I was never here" regarding his time in Dallas

Jeri no-doubt had a non disclosure agreement in his contract with parcels thus why Parcels doesnt publicly bad mouth him. Jones also had the contract state how credit would be dispersed between him & Parcels proving yet again what an insecure boob the owner is and always has been. Here's the excerpt from Parcels book where he mentions it:

If that is from Parcells book, then isn't Parcells violating the NDA?

 

[yimyammer]

If that is from Parcells book, then isn't Parcells violating the NDA?

it is from his book but I don't know if that violates an NDA, I have no proof their is one, I'm merely speculating based on Jones insecurity and being intimidated by strong willed coaches who would take away the limelight he so desperately covets

 

[Aggiepride]

it is from his book but I don't know if that violates an NDA, I have no proof their is one, I'm merely speculating based on Jones insecurity and being intimidated by strong willed coaches who would take away the limelight he so desperately covets

I'm not an attorney, but my little experience with them tells me it would be a violation. Are you positive it is from his book and not some sort of photoshopped image?

Per my research, that does not appear in any known works written by Bill Parcells.

I think that is fake=fake News.

 

[Aggiepride]

it is from his book but I don't know if that violates an NDA, I have no proof their is one, I'm merely speculating based on Jones insecurity and being intimidated by strong willed coaches who would take away the limelight he so desperately covets

I seriously think someone photoshopped it. A couple of articles to suggest that it is bullshit.

https://www.sportscasting.com/news/bill-parcells-view-of-jerry-jones-is-different-than-most-in-the-football-world/

The Parcells Era begins in 2003

[Aug 21, 2023] With the last of the Triplets gone with the departure of Emmitt Smith to the Cardinals, the era of Bill Parcells began in Dallas in 2003.

insidethestar.com

History of the Dallas Cowboys - Chapter IX: The transition to the Bill Parcells era

2001-2005

www.bloggingtheboys.com

Bill Parcells: Jerry Jones has been 'reasonably successful' Cowboys GM

Jerry Jones joined Cowboys coaches and scouts at Senior Bowl practices this week. (Getty Images) Bill Parcells has never publicly joined the chorus critical

www.si.com

I would think that if that quote were true then I wouldn't be having such a hard time finding it in something like Sports Illustrated, The Athletic, or someplace reputable.

Maybe Bryan Broaddus, who worked for both men, might have said it, etc, but I can't find it.

Do you have a legit source? Because that is not in the Parcells book that I looked at? I have access to a university library (actually, 3 of them). It's not in Parcells: A Football Life, written in 2014 with author Nunyo Demasio, who is an award-winning journalist.

I'm calling bullshit until proven otherwise.

 

[yimyammer]

I'm not an attorney, but my little experience with them tells me it would be a violation. Are you positive it is from his book and not some sort of photoshopped image?

Per my research, that does not appear in any known works written by Bill Parcells.

I think that is fake=fake News.

no sir I don’t mess around with BS and anything I post as facts will come from a credible source. Now I might occasionally get fooled but I assure you I will never purposely post “fake news”.

I screen captured this myself like 10 years ago, it’s from the book Parcells: A Football Life and I think it’s on page 349. The Amazon preview doesn’t have this page showing but when you do a search for keywords like “formula”, Amazon shows it to be page 349. Here’s a full excerpt of a couple paragraphs I copied from a site I found online here

Parcells (Bill Parcells) » p.49 » Global Archive Voiced Books Online Free

About an hour before the opening kickoff, Countdown’s new producer, Seth Markman, visited Parcells in ESPN’s trailer to review an earlier production meeting. Instead, Markman got a big surprise from

readfrom.net

The second meeting between Jerry Jones and Bill Parcells occurred on Long Island on December 27, two days before the Cowboys’ season finale. With talks becoming more concrete, the owner’s lieutenant/son, Stephen Jones, participated, along with Parcells’s new agent, Jimmy Sexton, in a session that lasted six hours. Since naming himself GM following Jimmy Johnson’s departure in 1994, Jerry Jones had overseen generally poor drafts. Given Parcells’s deep-seated desire to shop for players, personnel power became a crucial issue. As owner, president, and GM, Jones declined to relinquish final authority, but he agreed to give Parcells more sway than any Cowboys head coach since Jimmy Johnson: the new partners agreed on mutual veto power over what players made the roster. Unlike his predecessors, Parcells required autonomy in choosing a staff, and Jones uncharacteristically acquiesced on the matter.

As the negotiating pas de deux continued by telephone, Oakland’s Al Davis, longtime friend of both men, acted as an intermediary. The NFL’s elder statesman believed that although his buddies both wanted credit for a championship, reaching the goal would generate enough kudos to satisfy their outsized egos. Jones and Parcells agreed to a formula on publicly dispensing recognition if Dallas captured a Super Bowl, and to confirm it during the final stages of negotiations, the two read each other the protocol. Then Jones offered Parcells a four-year contract worth $17.1 million, which would give the new head coach an annual salary larger than that of his four predecessors combined.

you can also go to this site: https://archive.org/details/parcellsfootball0000parc/page/n9/mode/2up?q=Formula

and type the word “formula“ and get the paragraph to come up as well or you can buy the book

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[dbair1967]

By the way, imagine if there had been some foresight and proper planning and Parcells could have promised Sean Payton that he'd be the next HC? I wonder if the topic was even broached.

Parcells should have walked away after the 2005 season when it was apparent Payton was going to leave.

Parcells did all kinds of good for the organization as a whole (especially in terms of how the scouting department was structured and ran) but it was obvious after the 2004 season that he didnt have "it" any longer as a HC. Payton nearly left after the 2004 season (Raiders) but Parcells and other convinced him the Raiders were not a good fit, but everyone knew that would likely be it for Payton in 2005 in Dallas.

He should have retired. Instead he coached another year and we watched as Payton turned into one of the better young head coaches and offensive masterminds in New Orleans. We went the cream puff Wade and then red headed fool route and set us up for a decade plus of frustrating futility. I have little dount Payton would have gotten a lot more out of our teams from 2006 on and we likely would have seriously competed for at least a couple or so Super Bowl appearances.

 

[dbair1967]

Yep, he aint coming here.

New report makes it unlikely that Ben Johnson would take Cowboys head coaching job

It seems really unlikely that Ben Johnson could be an option for the Dallas Cowboys.

www.bloggingtheboys.com

“Number one: he’ll be looking for organizational alignment, in particular between the GM and the head coach. And then he’ll be looking for a recognition from the organization of the things that have gone wrong and a willingness to fix them.”