*** 2014 NFL Draft thread ***

[dbair1967]

Mosley is a walk in starter, and many think Lee would be fine at WLB. In fact, he may get injured less while playing to his strengths there.

Lee is not a WLB in a 4-3, he is a heckuva athlete as a MLB/ILB, but he doesn't have the kind of speed a WLB in this scheme needs. So unless they were gonna draft Mosley and move him, no he wouldn't walk in and start here.

Brooks is a true FS, which the Cowboys don't have anywhere on their roster. And Jernigan starts day 1 at 1-tech DT.

OK, and Zack Martin starts day one and so does Lawrence. Martin is a guy people see as a perennial probowl caliber player as well, and can supposedly play all 5 OL positions. And getting the QB is still the most important part of a defense, and Jernigan wouldn't help that as much as Lawrence.

While RDE is a huge need, losing a starter to make up for lack of depth is going to continue to haunt Dallas as it has for several years now.

Pass rusher >>>>>>>>>> safety

 

[dbair1967]

I didn't post their records since he bought the team. I showed them the last 4 years. Stop rationalizing the recent bad draft choices, especially when you consider their best draft success has been with Jimmy and the Tuna having the right influence on the picks.

What recent bad selections? 2009, 5 years ago?

 

[junk]

And supposedly him and Harbaugh can't get along

What would you rather have? A GM and coach with a chilly relationship and conf. championship/Super Bowl appearances or a chummy GM/coach who decide things by consensus and can't build a team to get into the playoffs in a weak division?

A little disagreement is a good thing when it comes to the player acquisition process.

 

[dbair1967]

What would you rather have? A GM and coach with a chilly relationship and conf. championship/Super Bowl appearances or a chummy GM/coach who decide things by consensus and can't build a team to get into the playoffs in a weak division?

A little disagreement is a good thing when it comes to the player acquisition process.

Doesn't sound like the coach is gonna be there much longer though.

I'd rather have their GM I think than their HC if I had to choose.

 

[wyvrn]

Claiborne. Carter. Arkin. Owusu-Ansah. Escobar.

And yes the complete abortion of a draft in 2009 which would the backbone of your team right now, which is completely relevant to this discussion.

 

[junk]

Doesn't sound like the coach is gonna be there much longer though.

I'd rather have their GM I think than their HC if I had to choose.

Either would be a significant upgrade in Dallas.

 

[dbair1967]

Claiborne. And yes the complete abortion of a draft in 2009 which would the backbone of your team right now, which is completely relevant to this discussion.

He needs to get better and stay healthy this yr, but its too early to say he was a bad pick.

 

[dbair1967]

Either would be a significant upgrade in Dallas.

Well duh

 

[junk]

Well duh

So why were you saying "yawn" when I made the original comment, dummy? Glad you've talked yourself in a complete circle.

 

[wyvrn]

Lee is not a WLB in a 4-3, he is a heckuva athlete as a MLB/ILB, but he doesn't have the kind of speed a WLB in this scheme needs. So unless they were gonna draft Mosley and move him, no he wouldn't walk in and start here.



OK, and Zack Martin starts day one and so does Lawrence. Martin is a guy people see as a perennial probowl caliber player as well, and can supposedly play all 5 OL positions. And getting the QB is still the most important part of a defense, and Jernigan wouldn't help that as much as Lawrence.



Pass rusher >>>>>>>>>> safety

Lee would be fine at WLB. He can cover and is a tackle machine, perfect in this version of the 4-3. Also, Mosley was projected at all 3 of the LB positions by several draft publications. He can also play the WLB if needed.

Martin is a fine player, and so is Lawrence, but I take 3 starters over 2 any day of the week. If you project that over several drafts, then you see a much bigger difference over time. The reason they were desperate for talent is recent bad drafts.

And I also think Spencer is much more of a typical RDE than LDE. First, he is too small for LDE. He is a good enough rusher to play RDE, though not as explosive as Ware was. Seattle won the SB with a rotation at DL which did not include a Ware type player.

 

[dbair1967]

So why were you saying "yawn" when I made the original comment, dummy? Glad you've talked yourself in a complete circle.

Yawning had nothing to do with whether I thought they were run better than us.

 

[wyvrn]

Also, tons of solid OG found in the third round, which means the Cowboys reached for Martin in the first round unless they move him to tackle very early in his career.

 

[dbair1967]

Also, tons of solid OG found in the third round, which means the Cowboys reached for Martin in the first round unless they move him to tackle very early in his career.

These guys in the 3rd rd are graded nowhere near Martin dude

 

[wyvrn]

He needs to get better and stay healthy this yr, but its too early to say he was a bad pick.

Really? He was the 6th pick of the draft, in which Dallas burned their 2nd rounder, and he was benched in favor of Scandrick because he basically sucked at one point.

Sounds like a bust to me.

 

[wyvrn]

These guys in the 3rd rd are graded nowhere near Martin dude

Actually at G they are pretty close in quality. I am a huge life long ND fan, and I saw every one of Martin's games and I know him well. I think he is very solid, but unless Dallas plays him at OT, then they reached for his position without need.

If he moves to RT, he will be very solid, though probably not a pro-bowler. That being said, if they wanted just a G this year, they would have used that 1st round pick on a different player, such a Lawrence if they valued him that high, and their 2nd on another good player. That would have been a wiser use of resources to get 3 starters.

 

[dbair1967]

Really? He was the 6th pick of the draft, in which Dallas burned their 2nd rounder, and he was benched in favor of Scandrick because he basically sucked at one point.

Sounds like a bust to me.

He was benched because he was hurt

 

[cmd34]

Also, tons of solid OG found in the third round, which means the Cowboys reached for Martin in the first round unless they move him to tackle very early in his career.

Considering the circumstances, Martin was the right pick there. BPA that fits a need. Some teams had a Top 10 grade on him.

 

[Midswat]

Yeah there's not a guard in this third round thats near what Martin is.

Besides, I trust this teams ability to find good onlinemen in the middle to late rounds like I trust my ex wife.

 

[wyvrn]

Considering the circumstances, Martin was the right pick there. BPA that fits a need. Some teams had a Top 10 grade on him.

I had that opinion yesterday until Dallas traded up for Lawrence. Well hell, why didn't they take him in the first if they had him rated that highly? The reason: they wanted to trade back, but couldn't get the value they wanted. Martin wasn't in their plans originally, Lawrence in the late 1st was.

I would still take 3 starters over 2. I know Martin well as a ND fan. He is good, but not spectacular.

 

[Hoofbite]

Also, tons of solid OG found in the third round, which means the Cowboys reached for Martin in the first round unless they move him to tackle very early in his career.

What?

I've heard of reaching by taking a player earlier than he should go.

Never heard of reaching by other teams taking other players later than they should go.

That's a new one.

"Hey, call ahead to tomorrow afternoon and see if any of these OGs are still available while we are on the clock. Wouldn't want to find out tomorrow we were reaching by taking a guy in a spot where he is projected to go"