2013 NFL Draft Thread

[peplaw06]

And then the most important part, trusting this FO and our scouts to choose the right pieces?

Why not try to hit on positions that they are relatively good at it using high selections?

Why can't our (relatively) new genius OL coach have any influence on changing our OL drafting abilities?

 

[GloryDaysRBack]

Not enough immediate dividends from this class. I dont see it at least

Esco might kill next yr and turn it from Ok to very good. But i dont see the last two picks producing much this yr

 

[jnday]

how? when?

Frederick? By himself?


again how? When? in 2014 ? Escobar is not cheaper than Hanna. Williams is not cheaper than Harris. Are we cutting Austin next year? Then we still need a 3rd WR. Again, no Guard relief in sight. The run game improves when and only when we upgrade the O-Line. 1 player every 2 years isn't going to get it
done.

Damn, you're good. I agree 100%.

 

[jnday]

Like I said I quit for the night.

U guys are impossible. U hate Jerry and Garrett so much it has made u not even be able to see a good group of players as a positive.

If these guys perform well this summer, not one of u should say dick. Not a word.


They are all backups who won't help, Garrett doesn't know how to use them and the guards will get us beat anyway.

Damn, how can you defend the positions they drafted? They were not the positions that needed the picks. The TE and WR are not worth shit with Romo having broke ribs because our GM is too stupid to fix the line. Frederick csn't play RT, C and both guard positions. To top it off, there is only one ball. Romo prefers to give it to Witten anyway. It is hard enough to get Dez, Miles, Murray, Harris, etc, enough touches as it is. The team is fine at the skill positions. Fix the real problem, the line. It has nothing to do with the Mexican TE and the Baylor WR being bad players. It is about the positions they play.

 

[jnday]

Sounds like a David Arkin problem.

If they would have drafted Warford, Arkin's problem would be finding a job. You are killing it in this thread by the way. Good stuff.

 

[bkeavs]

PLease highlight our draft picks
2013 NFL Draft: Mike Mayock's top 100 prospects

By Mike Mayock NFL Network
Published: April 19, 2013 at 12:45 p.m.
Updated: April 21, 2013 at 09:50 p.m.

A rundown of NFL.com draft analyst Mike Mayock's top 100 prospects heading into next week's 2013 NFL Draft.

1. Eric Fisher, OT, Central Michigan
2. Sharrif Floyd, DT, Florida
3. Luke Joeckel, OT, Texas A&M
4. Chance Warmack, OG, Alabama
5. Dion Jordan, DE/OLB, Oregon
6. Lane Johnson, OT, Oklahoma
7. Sheldon Richardson, DT, Missouri
8. Jonathan Cooper, OG, North Carolina
9. Ziggy Ansah, DE, BYU
10. Barkevious Mingo, DE, LSU

11. Star Lotulelei, DT, Utah
12. Tavon Austin, WR, West Virginia
13. Tyler Eifert, TE, Notre Dame
14. D.J. Hayden, CB, Houston
15. D.J. Fluker, OT, Alabama
16. Dee Milliner, CB, Alabama
17. Kenny Vaccaro, S, Texas
18. Eddie Lacy, RB, Alabama
19. Jarvis Jones, OLB, Georgia
20. Xavier Rhodes, CB, Florida State

21. Geno Smith, QB, West Virginia
22. Sylvester Williams, DT, North Carolina
23. Manti Te'o, ILB, Notre Dame
24. Justin Pugh, OT, Syracuse
25. Matt Elam, FS, Florida
26. Bjoern Werner, DE, Florida State
27. Datone Jones, DE, UCLA
28. Eric Reid,FS, LSU
29. Kyle Long,OG, Oregon
30. Cordarrelle Patterson, WR, Tennessee

31. Menelik Watson, OT, Florida State
32. Justin Hunter, WR, Tennessee
33. Damontre Moore, DE, Texas A&M
34. Kevin Minter,ILB, LSU
35. Desmond Trufant, CB, Washington
36. Arthur Brown, ILB, Kansas State
37. Keenan Allen, WR, California
38. Jonathan Cyprien, FS, Florida International
39. Margus Hunt, DE, SMU
40. Kawann Short, DT, Purdue

41. EJ Manuel, QB, Florida State
42. DeAndre Hopkins, WR, Clemson
43. Matt Barkley, QB, USC
44. Alec Ogletree, ILB, Georgia
45. Robert Woods, WR, USC
46. Zach Ertz, TE, Stanford
47. Larry Warford,, OG, Kentucky
48. Johnthan Banks, CB, Mississippi State
49. Jamie Collins, OLB, Southern Mississippi
50. Ryan Nassib, QB, Syracuse

51. Jamar Taylor, CB, Boise State
52. Montee Ball, RB, Wisconsin
53. Terrance Williams,, WR, Baylor
54. Cornelius Washington, OLB, Georgia
55. Brian Schwenke, C, California
56. Tank Carradine, DE, Florida State
57. D.J. Swearinger, SS, South Carolina
58. Jonathan Hankins, DT, Ohio State
59. Darius Slay, CB, Mississippi State
60. Aaron Dobson, WR, Marshall

61. Terron Armstead, OT, Arkansas-Pine Bluff
62. Bennie Logan, DT, LSU
63. Giovani Bernard, RB, North Carolina
64. Sio Moore, OLB, Connecticut
65. Jon Bostic, OLB, Florida
66. Blidi Wreh-Wilson, CB, Connecticut
67. B.W. Webb, CB, William & Mary
68. J.J. Wilcox, FS, Georgia Southern
69. Khaseem Greene, OLB, Rutgers
70. Brian Winters, OG, Kent

71. John Jenkins, DT, Georgia
72. Dwayne Gratz, CB, Connecticut
73. Stedman Bailey, WR, West Virginia
74. Robert Alford, CB, Southeastern Louisiana
75. Andre Ellington, RB, Clemson
76. Gavin Escobar, TE, San Diego State
77. William Gholston, DE, Michigan State
78. Quinton Patton, WR, Louisiana Tech
79. Alex Okafor, DE, Texas
80. Travis Kelce, TE, Cincinnati

81. Mike Glennon, QB, North Carolina State
82. David Bakhtiari, OT, Colorado
83. Brandon Williams, DT, Missouri Southern State
84. David Quessenberry, OT, San Jose State
85. Jordan Poyer, CB, Oregon State
86. Tyler Bray, QB, Tennessee
87. Christine Michael, RB, Texas A&M
88. Markus Wheaton, WR, Oregon State
89. John Simon, DT, Ohio State
90. Dallas Thomas, OT, Tennessee

91. Barrett Jones, OG, Alabama
92. Travis Frederick, C, Wisconsin
93. Marquise Goodwin, WR, Texas
94. Le'Veon Bell, RB, Michigan State
95. Shamarko Thomas, SS, Syracuse
96. Vance McDonald, TE, Rice
97. Jesse Williams, DT, Alabama
98. Tyrann Mathieu, CB, LSU
99. David Amerson, CB, North Carolina State
100. Johnathan Franklin, RB, UCLA

 

[bkeavs]

Waiting for Dblair "Mayock doesnt know shit"

 

[LAZARUS_LOGAN]

Impossible to fill all needs.

Reached on Escobar because sf was going to take him if we didn't and we wanted him.

Yes. It's impossible to fill all and any needs, when you draft like Jerry and Co.

 

[Theebs]

Quick look at the last 6 years, rounds 1 - 4. Forgive any players that may not be there.

View attachment 1038

Fixed.

Why only go back six years? Why not include free agents?

don't bother answering I already know.

 

[Theebs]

Damn, how can you defend the positions they drafted? They were not the positions that needed the picks. The TE and WR are not worth shit with Romo having broke ribs because our GM is too stupid to fix the line. Frederick csn't play RT, C and both guard positions. To top it off, there is only one ball. Romo prefers to give it to Witten anyway. It is hard enough to get Dez, Miles, Murray, Harris, etc, enough touches as it is. The team is fine at the skill positions. Fix the real problem, the line. It has nothing to do with the Mexican TE and the Baylor WR being bad players. It is about the positions they play.

I iz stupid I guess.

Your right the te and wr are not worth a shit.

I am coming around to your side, I think these guys suck too. We blew the draft, the team got worse and now I think I won't buy my tickets.

Thanks for the lessons, now I really does gots this cowboys figured out.

 

[bkeavs]

Dallas Cowboys
The picks: Gavin Escobar, No. 47; Terrance Williams, No. 74; J.J. Wilcox, No. 80
Summary: You won't hear me questioning the talent of the players Dallas has selected. I'm a big fan of Escobar, who is a matchup threat and a great pass-catcher at tight end. Williams is also a pretty good value on the board that late, and can stretch the defense. My issue is that in Escobar and Williams, the Cowboys didn't target a more pressing need, which is some youth on the defensive line. Anthony Spencer is the only member of the Cowboys' defensive front under 30, and it's not like Spencer hasn't played a lot of football. I saw D-tackle as a big need and they haven't touched it. I really do like the pick of Wilcox at No. 80. He's a high-ceiling prospect who will have to adjust to the new level of competition, but could be good, and he hits a need. Not bad players, but Williams in particular felt like a luxury pick to me.

 

[bkeavs]

I iz stupid I guess.

Your right the te and wr are not worth a shit.

I am coming around to your side, I think these guys suck too. We blew the draft, the team got worse and now I think I won't buy my tickets.

Thanks for the lessons, now I really does gots this cowboys figured out.

I don't dislike the players as football talents. I question the value we got at position we picked them at. I also believe we should have been addressing more pressing needs than a two set tight end with our second pick

 

[dbair1967]

When you consider Austin's run of basically 3 yrs of hamstring problems now, along with his contract then WR shouldn't really be considered a "luxury" pick.

Since Romo became the starting QB these are the WR's we've drafted:

2007 Isiah Stanback 4th
2009 Manual Johnson 7th
2010 Dez Bryant 1st
2011 Dwayne Harris 6th
2012 Danny Coale 5th

One first day pick on a WR since he took over as the fulltime starter. Williams is the 2nd.

 

[dbair1967]

Waiting for Dblair "Mayock doesnt know shit"

You forgot to bold T Williams Sulu

 

[dbair1967]

Hot 100 + 25: Luke Joeckel, Ziggy Ansah still top 2013 draft class

By Gil Brandt
Senior Analyst
Published: April 24, 2013 at 02:45 p.m.
Updated: April 24, 2013 at 05:11 p.m.

A months-long stretch of pontificating and speculating and guessing is about to end. Soon, the 2013 NFL Draft will begin; soon we'll know exactly where each hotly debated prospect will be for the next phase of his football life. Until then, though, all the questions we've asked and projections we've made remain up in the air.

We've talked about this draft class extensively since the final whistle blew in Super Bowl XLVII -- and even before that. Through the NFL Scouting Combine and the pro-day circuit, we've hashed 'em out and mashed 'em up -- and frankly, there isn't much more to say.

My final Hot 100 reflects that. As you'll see when comparing this list to the previous edition, little has changed since earlier this month. Cordarrelle Patterson dropped from No. 8 to No. 21, while Justin Hunter jumped from No. 57 to No. 33. But other than that tandem of Tennessee receiver prospects, few players moved much. Luke Joeckel and Eric Fisher are still the best offensive talents; Ziggy Ansah and Dion Jordan are still the most promising defensive prospects.

Again, these prospects are ranked according to the grades they received using time-tested benchmarks. Also, as I did with my final Hot 100 before last year's draft, I've extended the list to include an extra 25 prospects -- a bonus, if you will, before the draft begins.

NOTE: Rankings from the previous edition of The Hot 100 are in parentheses.

1) Luke Joeckel, OT, Texas A&M (1)
2) Ezekiel "Ziggy" Ansah, DE, BYU (2)
3) Dion Jordan, DE/OLB, Oregon (3)
4) Sharrif Floyd, DT, Florida (4)
5) Eric Fisher, OT, Central Michigan (5)
6) Dee Milliner, CB, Alabama (6)
7) Geno Smith, QB, West Virginia (7)
8) Lane Johnson, OT, Oklahoma (11)
9) Barkevious Mingo, DE/OLB, LSU (10)
10) Xavier Rhodes, CB, Florida State (9)

11) Chance Warmack, OG, Alabama (13)
12) Jonathan Cooper, OG, North Carolina (14)
13) Sheldon Richardson, DT, Missouri (15)
14) Star Lotulelei, DT, Utah (22)
15) D.J. Fluker, OT, Alabama (16)
16) Tyler Eifert, TE, Notre Dame (12)
17) Tavon Austin, WR, West Virginia (17)
18) Sylvester Williams, DT, North Carolina (18)
19) Alec Ogletree, LB, Georgia (19)
20) Manti Te'o, LB, Notre Dame (20)
21) Cordarrelle Patterson, WR, Tennessee (8)
22) Matt Barkley, QB, USC (21)
23) Menelik Watson, OT, Florida State (23)
24) Kenny Vaccaro, S, Texas (24)
25) Eddie Lacy, RB, Alabama (25)
26) Bjoern Werner, DE, Florida State (26)
27) EJ Manuel, QB, Florida State (27)
28) Jarvis Jones, OLB, Georgia (28)
29) Kawann Short, DT, Purdue (36)
30) Desmond Trufant, CB, Washington (30)
31) Darius Slay, CB, Mississippi State (31)
32) Margus Hunt, DE, SMU (29)
33) Justin Hunter, WR, Tennessee (57)
34) Robert Woods, WR, USC (34)
35) Zach Ertz, TE, Stanford (33)
36) Eric Reid, S, LSU (35)
37) Johnthan Banks, CB, Mississippi State (38)
38) John Jenkins, DT, Georgia (39)
39) Damontre Moore, DE, Texas A&M (32)
40) Kyle Long, OG, Oregon (40)
41) Cornellius "Tank" Carradine, DE, Florida State (42)
42) DeAndre Hopkins, WR, Clemson (37)
43) D.J. Hayden, CB, Houston (51)
44) Terrance Williams, WR, Baylor (48)
45) Keenan Allen, WR, Cal (41)
46) Vance McDonald, TE, Rice (72)
47) Johnathan Hankins, DT, Ohio State (44)
48) Montee Ball, RB, Wisconsin (46)
49) Travis Frederick, C, Wisconsin (45)
50) Ryan Nassib, QB, Syracuse (50)
51) Blidi Wreh-Wilson, CB, Connecticut (49)
52) Sam Montgomery, DE, LSU (47)
53) Matt Elam, S, Florida (54)
54) David Amerson, CB, N.C. State (58)
55) Terron Armstead, OT, Arkansas-Pine Bluff (52)
56) John Cyprien, S, Florida International (53)
57) Justin Pugh, OT, Syracuse (59)
58) Brian Winters, OG, Kent State (64)
59) Le'Veon Bell, RB, Michigan State (55)
60) Christine Michael, RB, Texas A&M (56)
61) Kevin Minter, LB, LSU (61)
62) Jamar Taylor, CB, Boise State (69)
63) Gavin Escobar, TE, San Diego State (63)
64) Dallas Thomas, OT, Tennessee (65)
65) Landry Jones, QB, Oklahoma (66)
66) Tyrann Mathieu, CB, LSU (62)
67) Markus Wheaton, WR, Oregon State (70)
68) Jesse Williams, DT, Alabama (67)
69) Barrett Jones, OG/C, Alabama (73)
70) Corey Lemonier, DE, Auburn (74)
71) Mike Glennon, QB, N.C. State (76)
72) Khaseem Greene, LB, Rutgers (77)
73) Kiko Alonso, LB, Oregon (60)
74) Arthur Brown, LB, Kansas State (79)
75) Brandon Williams, DT, Missouri Southern State (84)
76) Jamie Collins, LB, Southern Miss (83)
77) Robert Alford, CB, Southeastern Louisiana (80)
78) Datone Jones, DE, UCLA (92)
79) Andre Ellington, RB, Clemson (81)
80) D.J. Swearinger, S, South Carolina (78)
81) Quinton Patton, WR, Louisiana Tech (75)
82) Larry Warford, OG, Kentucky (91)
83) Phillip Thomas, S, Fresno State (82)
84) Stedman Bailey, WR, West Virginia (88)
85) Johnathan Franklin, RB, UCLA (NR)
86) Bacarri Rambo, S, Georgia (68)
87) T.J. McDonald, S, USC (71)
88) Dwayne Gratz, CB, Connecticut (43)
89) A.J. Klein, LB, Iowa State (85)
90) Michael Buchanan, DE, Illinois (98)
91) Kevin Reddick, LB, North Carolina (96)
92) Marquise Goodwin, WR, Texas (99)
93) Chase Thomas, LB, Stanford (87)
94) Tyler Wilson, QB, Arkansas (89)
95) Leon McFadden, CB, San Diego State (86)
96) Tharold Simon, CB, LSU (94)
97) Matt Scott, QB, Arizona (90)
98) Stansly Maponga, DE, TCU (95)
99) William Gholston, DE, Michigan State (97)
100) Sio Moore, OLB, Connecticut (NR)
101) Alex Okafor, DE, Texas (NR)
102) Emmett Cleary, OT, Boston College (NR)
103) Tyler Bray, QB, Tennessee (NR)
104) Jordan Poyer, CB, Oregon State (NR)
105) J.J. Wilcox, FS, Georgia Southern (NR)
106) Logan Ryan, CB, Rutgers (NR)
107) Sanders Commings, CB, Georgia (NR)
108) David Bakhtiari, OT, Colorado (NR)
109) Giovani Bernard, RB, North Carolina (93)
110) Brennan Williams, OT, North Carolina (NR)
111) Michael Mauti, ILB, Penn State (NR)
112) Ryan Swope, WR, Texas A&M (NR)
113) Levine Toilolo, TE, Stanford (NR)
114) Dion Sims, TE, Michigan State (NR)
115) Denard Robinson, WR, Michigan (NR)
116) Kenjon Barner, RB, Oregon (NR)
117) Cornelius Washington, OLB, Georgia (NR)
118) Chris Harper, WR, Kansas State (NR)
119) Khaled Holmes, C, USC (NR)
120) Hugh Thornton, OG, Illinois (NR)
121) Alvin Bailey, OG, Arkansas (NR)
122) Bennie Logan, DT, LSU (NR)
123) John Simon, DE, Ohio State (NR)
124) Aaron Dobson, WR, Marshall (NR)
125) Jeff Locke, P, UCLA (100)

Follow Gil Brandt on Twitter @Gil_Brandt.

 

[Midswat]

Sons Teeball game is this morning. I'll probably miss the fourth rounder... which isn't that big of a deal since thats a throwaway round for us.

Someone post a cussword for me though in case we draft someone who weighs less than 275lbs.

 

[dbair1967]

Sons Teeball game is this morning. I'll probably miss the fourth rounder... which isn't that big of a deal since thats a throwaway round for us.

Someone post a cussword for me though in case we draft someone who weighs less than 275lbs.

Call sdogo, he can probably tell you exactly who we are looking at in round 4.

 

[Theebs]

4th round is where the backs will go it seems.

 

[dbair1967]

In defense of offense: The Cowboys' draftApril, 26, 2013
By Dan Graziano | ESPN.com

It's the making-of-the-sausage aspect of the NFL draft that's the problem. If the Dallas Cowboys had begun this offseason with picks 31, 47, 74 and 80 and drafted these same four players, the fans' reaction would have been quite different (though they'd still probably be mad about having lost the Super Bowl). The reason everybody was so upset about the Cowboys' draft 24 hours ago was this trade they made with the San Francisco 49ers in the first round and the idea that they didn't get enough in return for the No. 18 pick.

But from here? From the tail end of Friday night, with three rounds and four Cowboys picks in the books? To me, it looks as though the Cowboys are having a pretty good draft.

The first and most important thing they needed to do, above all else, was find offensive line help in the first round, and they did. You might not like Travis Frederick as a first-rounder, but the fact is this draft was weak at the top. And if you're sifting between sub-optimal options, why should you feel compelled to pick the guy other people have agreed to like as opposed to the guy you like? "Trust your board," is every team's pre-draft mantra, and if the Cowboys' board called Frederick their answer, there's nothing wrong with taking him with the 31st pick.

What happened next seemed weird because it was offense again with the first two picks Friday night. A team that has Jason Witten used its second-round pick on a tight end its fans had never heard of, Gavin Escobar, instead of a safety or a tackle or another offensive lineman. So the crying began anew, as well as the same old jokes about how the owner needs to fire the GM when we all know there's no chance of that ever happening. Then, in the third round, with the pick they got in that first-round trade, they went offense again, taking Baylor wide receiver Terrance Williams.

But then a funny thing happened. The outlines of the plan began to congeal in front of everyone's eyes. And through the prism of a pick that finally felt like a really good one, it all started to make sense. The Cowboys just signed their franchise quarterback, Tony Romo, to a gigantic contract extension. When you do that, you're inclined to build up the offense around him. And by taking an interior lineman in the first round and a pair of dynamic passing-game weapons in the second and third, that's what the Cowboys were up to in the early part of the 2013 draft.

Recall the common complaints about the Cowboys' offense. (The non-Romo ones, if you will.) It's unimaginative. It stalls in the red zone. It doesn't have a reliable No. 3 wide receiver, and its No. 2, Miles Austin, is always hurt. The picks of Escobar and Williams address all of that. Escobar is a considerably better player than James Hanna, last season's sixth-round pick, and the ability to put him on the field along with Witten will offer the Cowboys options they didn't have on offense last season. Escobar is a reliable pass-catcher who can outfight defenders for the ball in traffic, and that will serve him and the Cowboys well up and down the field, but especially in the red zone. Williams is a big-play outside receiver who allows them to use Austin in the slot when they go three wide and can be a game-breaker if teams overcommit to Dez Bryant on the other side. They have found fresh options that offer more variety for an offense that too often limits its quarterback's options in key spots. And by taking the lineman first, they've helped shore up Romo's protection, as well.

Some wanted a running back, but you can always get one of those, and there are still plenty on the board with four rounds to go. Some wanted a tackle or a guard, and I couldn't have argued if they wanted to overaddress the line. But you're more likely to find a usable offensive lineman in the fourth or fifth round than you are to find a big-play tight end or receiver there. Eric Winston and others remain on the free-agent market as possible answers at tackle. They did something about the line with their first pick, and the opportunity to do more exists for them.

Some wanted defense in the second round -- a three-technique defensive tackle or a playmaking safety. They ended up with a physical safety in J.J. Wilcox with their original third-round pick, and they like what he offers in terms of upside. But the basic theory with the Cowboys defense appears to be that the changes on the coaching staff, the switch to a 4-3 front and improved health will deliver improvement. They lost six defensive starters to injury last season, and if those guys all come back and thrive in their new 4-3 roles, those are their big additions on defense.

No, spending the early part of the draft on help for Romo was a completely worthwhile choice of priorities for the Cowboys, who came out of the first three rounds with three offensive players they like and can find multiple ways to use (plus that new safety). They're focused on putting Romo and coach Jason Garrett in the best possible position to succeed by expanding the boundaries of the offense's capabilities from play to play and week to week. If you're Romo and Garrett right now, you're thinking up new plays and personnel formations that weren't available to you last season when Bryant, Austin and Witten were your only reliable pass-catchers, and you're excited.

The draft is about hope that things will get better. A look back at the first three rounds offers the Cowboys a number of ways to imagine a more fun and productive offense. It doesn't really matter how it started or how they got here. So far, the Cowboys have to feel as though they're having a pretty good draft.

 

[dbair1967]

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