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Crazy how Ogden and his 33 inch arms managed it.

Usually if your arms are short you don't have the size to play outside anyhow and that's why you get moved down. But two inches of arm length isn't knocking anyone from tackle to guard, melvins.

Props for dropping that knowledge...as always, insightful and enjoyable to read.
 
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2013 combine: 10 players to watch
By Dane Brugler | NFLDraftScout.com Senior Analyst
February 19, 2013 4:07 pm ET

The annual NFL Scouting Combine begins on Wednesday, and 333 prospects have been invited to Indianapolis this year to put their skills on display for representatives from all 32 NFL teams. The combine runs from Wednesday through Feb. 26.

Prospects will be poked, prodded and put through a various array of drills, both physical and mental. They will also undergo an extensive medical and interview process throughout the week as teams dig to find out as much as possible about this year's crop of prospects.

The combine will be crucial for dozens of prospects, but more important for some. Here are 10 prospects to watch:

1. ILB Manti Te'o, Notre Dame
It's been a roller coaster last two months for the Notre Dame linebacker after a lackluster national title performance and the hoax controversy that became national news. Te'o is still very much in the first-round discussion, but the interview process will be crucial to his draft standing. Teams want to know if he has the mental toughness and confidence to deal with what the next level will bring.

2. QB Tyler Bray, Tennessee
There might not be a more talented quarterback in this class than Bray, who is the only underclassman at the position invited to Indianapolis this year. He has the height, feet and the arm talent to easily make every NFL throw, but he has struggled with consistency issues. Bray will have to answer concerns about his maturity and prove to teams that he's worth the risk.

3. DB Tyrann Mathieu, LSU
Without the off-field concerns, Mathieu has the playmaking skills to be a first-round pick. However, after his dismissal from LSU and a laundry list of off-field issues, his draft stock is a mystery and scouts are going to put him under a microscope this week. Mathieu also hasn't played organized football in more than a year, so his physical condition will be scrutinized as well.

4. WR Marquise Goodwin, Texas
A world-class athlete, Goodwin participated in the London Olympics last summer (placed 10th in the long jump) and is one of the best athletes in this year's draft class. He had a career-low 26 catches as a senior in Austin, but he was often misused in the Longhorns' offense and missed almost all of their summer practices. Goodwin is still rough around the edges, but he will test off-the-charts.

5. OLB Jarvis Jones, Georgia
A productive SEC pass rusher, Jones will probably test well in the drills, but his combine performance will be judged based on his medical evaluation. His “spinal stenosis” issue is something that should allow him to have an NFL career, but for how long? The long-term diagnosis is tough to predict, but the evaluation from the training staff in Indianapolis will carry a lot of weight.

6. OT Menelik Watson, Florida State
Although he's not a household name just yet, Watson is an interesting prospect for several reasons. A native of Manchester, England, he starred at the JUCO ranks before transferring and spending one season with the Seminoles. Watson still has a lot of work to do in terms of his development, but he is a freakishly athletic big man who will impress in Indy.

7. QB Geno Smith, West Virginia
In a quarterback class that doesn't have a certain top-20 prospect, Smith has an opportunity at Lucas Oil Stadium to shine with all 32teams studying him. He needs to stand out not only on the field during passing drills, but also throughout the interview process as scouts grill him on his football knowledge and passion, especially after West Virginia's late-season collapse and his decision to skip the Senior Bowl.

8. DE Ezekiel Ansah, BYU
Although he didn't start playing football until 2010 and wasn't named a starter until this past season, Ansah is a talent who will create a lot of discussion in war rooms across the league. The Africa-native is still very inexperienced, and his role at the next level is undefined, but he should test well athletically in drills. During interviews, scouts will also be curious to determine Ansah's love for football.

9. DE Barkevious Mingo, LSU
A candidate to be a “workout warrior” this week, Mingo had only four sacks as a junior, but he could be one of the top pass rushers drafted in April based on athletic upside. He still needs to develop in several areas and continue to fill out his frame, but if he shines during the agility and positional drills as expected, it wouldn't be surprising to see a team take a chance on him in the top 10.

10. WR Cordarrelle Patterson, Tennessee
While there isn't an A.J. Green or Calvin Johnson-type of prospect in this class, the 2013 NFL Draft still has several first-round caliber receivers, including Patterson. He has just one year of experience at the FBS level and is raw in several areas, but his natural athleticism is exciting. For him to potentially be drafted in the top-10, he must showcase that athleticism in Indy.
 

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jake how do we ply tackel with deez small arms?

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lol idk buddy lets pla guard
 
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By Bruce Feldman | Senior College Football Columnist
February 19, 2013 1:50 pm ET

I'm heading to Indianapolis on Tuesday as NFL Draft season kicks into high gear this week with the combine. Here are the 10 guys I'm most intrigued to see how their stock goes between now and late April. (NOTE: This isn't meant to be a combine version of the Freaks list.)

1. Tyrann Mathieu, LSU, DB-KR: The guy formerly known as the "Honey Badger" almost won the Heisman in 2011 but then had all sorts of off-field problems and missed the 2012 season. Mathieu's lack of size (5-foot-8, 180 pounds) was always going to be a concern for most folks. Now you factor in some character question marks, and you have a prospect who probably doesn't go in the first 100 picks. He'd be a small corner, but skill-wise, he's not really a pure cover man. But he is super quick and instinctive. Above all, Mathieu is fearless with an uncanny knack for making big plays, whether those are picks, forced fumbles or sacks. In 26 games at LSU, he created an astounding 14 turnovers, and that was in his first two seasons in the program -- a time when few blue-chippers at LSU are even on the two-deep.

Teams that scouted LSU pegged Mathieu as a SAM linebacker more than anything else because of the way that the Tigers used him.

He's also a dynamic return man, averaging almost 16 yards a punt return. Watch the tape of him from late during his freshman year or in 2011, and he seems to be playing at a different speed than everyone else on the field -- at the highest level of college football.

It'll be interesting to see how he tests. He's one of those guys who plays much faster than he has been timed. (Tennessee once opted for another short DB, Nickell Robey, over Mathieu in large part because of the Louisiana native's underwhelming 40-time at the Vols' summer camp.)

The 20-year-old's probably more suited to safety although he doesn't have the heft to hold up to be an every-down player, but we've seen enough of him to think he still could be a difference-maker in the right situation if he can handle things off the field.

2. Geno Smith, West Virginia, QB: At one point last season, the Mountaineers were the most talked about team in the country as Smith piled up an eye-catching 24-0 TD-INT ratio. But then mid-October came, and things fell apart for WVU. The Mountaineers dropped five in a row, and Smith, whom some draft analysts were touting as the No. 1 overall pick, fell off the Heisman radar.

Many of those same draft analysts are now saying he might not even go in the first round.

Still, despite what many will feel was a down season, Smith completed a career-best 71 percent of his passes and produced a gaudy 42-6 TD-INT mark. And, at 6-foot-3, 225-pounds, Smith has the prototype size that the scouts covet and really good athleticism.

Jake Spavital, who coached first-round pick QB Brandon Weeden at Oklahoma State, was Smith's quarterback coach the past two seasons. Spavital predicts the Miami native is going to turn some heads and impress scouts in Indy.

"Weeden's got that really quick release, but Geno's got a hose, too," said Spavital, praising Smith's footwork and sense of anticipation. "He can make that field comeback throw and every other throw you want. The things that I don't think people give him enough credit for are his ball skills with all the play-action stuff.

"He's got big hands, is really smooth and can sell the play-action a lot longer. He can play in any system, and he'd flourish. I know he's going to run well, probably a lot faster than most people think, and coaches will see how football-smart he is."

3. Manti Te'o, Notre Dame, LB: The most celebrated player in college football in 2012, Te'o scarfed up a truckload of individual awards but since then has had a rough couple of months. His team got blown out by Alabama in the BCS title game, and Te'o looked overmatched. Then came word of the hoax with his much-talked-about dead girlfriend, which figures to get plenty of talk again this week in Indy.

My hunch is Te'o won't have too much trouble addressing that with scouts and the media. The shock of the story has passed, and Te'o and his handlers have had plenty of time and now experience to address things.

On the field is where things get more intriguing. Long-time NFL personnel man Pat Kirwan, now an analyst at CBSSports.com, said after watching the Bama debacle that he went back and studied Te'o in other games.

"The Stanford game raised as many questions as answers," Kirwan wrote. "He is aggressive, but he struggles to disengage. It almost seems like he has to come downhill so fast just to beat the blocker to the point of attack or he's tied up. He takes chances trying to make plays, and it doesn't always work out. At times, he reminded me of when Junior Seau first came in the NFL. At other times, he would overplay a run and miss the tackle. There was a lack of awareness in zone coverages at times when he didn't 'feel' the receiver in his zone.

"I had some concerns about how often he leaves his feet to make a tackle and miss. He needs to be in a 4-3 defense, and the middle may be too much traffic for him to sift through to make plays."

4. Alec Ogletree, Georgia, LB: He left Athens early after a productive 2012 season for a Bulldog D that seemed to underachieve a little. From an on-field standpoint, many see Ogletree as a top-15 pick thanks to his excellent range and ability to change direction. But his off-field issues are scaring some folks.

While at UGA, he was suspended for four games for an offseason drug test. Then there was last week's news that Ogletree got a DUI recently. He also had a freshman-year arrest for stealing a scooter helmet. Is that too much of a pattern of dubious behavior to chase off some teams?

The Atlanta Journal Constitution reported the monetary difference between being the No. 8 pick and the No. 23 pick last season was $4.5 million. To say a lot is on the line for Ogletree would be a big understatement.

5. Justin Hunter, Tennessee, WR: Lots of people are buzzing about the Vols' big, freak of a wideout who scared SEC defenses, but UT actually has two tall, long, freaky wide receivers. Cordarrelle Patterson, the former JC star touted as a top-20 pick, and Hunter, a 6-foot-4 former track star who had to overcome an ACL injury that sidelined him in 2011 and has some projecting as only a third-rounder.

Don't be shocked if Hunter puts on a show in Indy. While at UT, Hunter was timed at 4.42 electronically, had broad-jumped over 11 feet and vertical jumped 41.5 inches. As a track athlete, he has high jumped 7-3 and long jumped more than 26 feet. Coaches who were at UT during Hunter's time there praise his character and expect him to shine when he meets with NFL teams, too.

6. David Amerson , NC State, CB: He went from being an All-American in 2011 after making 13 INTs to a forgotten prospect not far into the 2012 season. A shaky performance against the Vols' dangerous group of receivers in the opener didn't help, but I expect Amerson to create some buzz again when scouts eyeball him. This is a 6-2, 200-pound corner who could crack 4.4 in Indy and get some folks excited again.

7. Jesse Williams, Alabama, DT: If there's a guy with a good chance to set a combine record, the Tide's big man from Brisbane, Australia, might be the one to do it in the bench press. Arguably the strongest man in college football, Williams' 600-pound bench press became legendary in SEC circles, but he's also pretty nimble for a 325-pounder. Some suspect he might run a sub-5.1 40 in Indy.

8. Tavon Austin, WVU, WR-KR: This might be the quickest guy in Indy this week. Austin destroyed some teams loaded with good athletes, showing he could rise to the challenge in big matchups. He ate people up for two seasons on WVU's version of the Fly Sweep, but he did a lot more than just that.

Austin once had 344 yards rushing in a game against Oklahoma. In 2011, he had 11 catches for almost 200 yards against an LSU D loaded with NFL talent.

It'll be interesting to see how fast he times in the 40. Some inside the WVU program joked that he never ran it before so they wondered if he would clock as fast as he plays. The film will tell you this guy plays like someone with 4.2 wheels. But if he doesn't crack 4.45, will that give some teams pause given his lack of size? My hunch is probably not, considering his change of direction and shuttle times should end up wowing any skeptics by the end of the week.

9. Denard Robinson, Michigan, WR-RB-KR: One of the greatest players in the Wolverines' storied history is ready to move on to the NFL. Robinson should run in the 4.3s and has a strong enough frame to make you think he can be a factor as a slot receiver in the NFL. Some have worried about his hands, though. Those drills will be the ones that everyone is going to want to study in Indy.

10. John Simon, Ohio State, DL-OLB: Urban Meyer and seemingly every other coach who has been around this guy raves about his motor and toughness. Simon, the Big Ten's Defensive Player of the Year, is a guy who figures to have a shot at benching 225 in the 40s.

He's also pretty explosive off the bench, having broad-jumped 10 feet and, according to OSU strength staff, has clocked in the 4.6s in the 40 despite weighing 270 pounds. A shoulder injury, which kept him out of the Senior Bowl, is something that is worth monitoring. A bigger question will be whether he's seen as stiff when it comes to positional drills as team project where he'll play at the next level.
 
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I am a big fan of Denard Robinson...although I fear he could go to high because some teams like those swiss army players.
 

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And 31 inch arms for k. long are a good inch and a half shorter than Thomas and J. Long..and those 2 guys already have short arms as it is.


Go watch your last place hockey team
 
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Tackles

In my view, the ideal tackles are guys that are in the 6-4 to 6-6 range and weigh around 310 to 320 pounds. In the past ten years, as zone-blocking schemes have become more popular, teams have been drafting taller guys (guys who may be 6-7 or 6-8) but many of those players don’t have the natural athleticism of a shorter player.

Because he protects the quarterback’s blind side, the left tackle is usually the more athletic tackle. He has to have quicker feet, quicker recovery and more range. You want your tackles to have long arms — 33-inch arm length is a minimum with 34 to 35-inch arms the ideal length. Long arms give a player a leverage advantage; the shorter-armed players can have a hard time keeping his opponent off his body.
 
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Ross Tucker--Former OT in the NFL

When asked during my playing days if I could add anything to my physical repertoire, what would it be, I always answered longer arms. Though I also would have loved to have been bigger, faster and stronger, increased arm length would have been first on my wish list.

Much like a boxer who has a reach advantage, offensive linemen with long arms can affect their opponents before they are affected themselves. I can't tell you how many times during my career that I found myself with a defender's hand in my chest or on my shoulder due to his advantage in arm length. And though there are techniques that can help combat this disadvantage, long-armed players never really have to worry about learning them.



Read More: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/ross_tucker/05/22/linemen/#ixzz2LZtylPRh
 

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Ross Tucker--Former OT in the NFL

When asked during my playing days if I could add anything to my physical repertoire, what would it be, I always answered longer arms. Though I also would have loved to have been bigger, faster and stronger, increased arm length would have been first on my wish list.

Much like a boxer who has a reach advantage, offensive linemen with long arms can affect their opponents before they are affected themselves. I can't tell you how many times during my career that I found myself with a defender's hand in my chest or on my shoulder due to his advantage in arm length. And though there are techniques that can help combat this disadvantage, long-armed players never really have to worry about learning them.



Read More: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/ross_tucker/05/22/linemen/#ixzz2LZtylPRh

Wait you mean ideally an OT would like to be a fucking athletic house with arms that stretch forever? But somehow these guys with sub-33" arms manage to play the position at a ridiculously high level for years?

HOWEVER DO THEY MANAGE IT WITHOUT THE DRAFTNIKS MAKING THEM PLAY GUARD.

Jesus people get some practical knowledge.
 
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Wait you mean ideally an OT would like to be a fucking athletic house with arms that stretch forever? But somehow these guys with sub-33" arms manage to play the position at a ridiculously high level for years?

HOWEVER DO THEY MANAGE IT WITHOUT THE DRAFTNIKS MAKING THEM PLAY GUARD.

Jesus people get some practical knowledge.
You mean like Jake Long...the guy you reported as having 32 inch arms, but his arms are 3 and 3/4 inches longer.

Jesus people get some truth in your posts.
 
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Georgia linebacker Jarvis Jones to skip combine
By Evan Hilbert | CBSSports.com
February 21, 2013 2:13 pm ET

Georgia linebacker Jarvis Jones will skip this week's NFL Scouting Combine and instead focus on the school's pro day, his representative announced Thursday.

There are many questions surrounding Jones' health, namely a concern with spinal stenosis. NFL Network draft analyst Mike Mayock spoke to that issue this week.

“Unfortunately, there is nothing he can do to alleviate the medical concerns,” Mayock told the Atlanta Journal-Constitution on Monday. according to the paper. “He either has stenosis or he doesn't, and it's either continuing to narrow his spine or it isn't. Coming out of the combine in a month or so, we'll have a better idea of that when teams begin to share all that medical information.”

Jones was a consensus first team All-American in 2012 and projected to be the top outside linebacker selected in April's NFL Draft.

Whether his bowing out of the combine is related to his back issue is unclear. Jones' draft status may take a hit due to growing medical concerns.
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Bad move on his part IMO...he could have a great pro day though and put the injury concerns to rest, but it looks odd.
 
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