2012 NFL Draft Chatter...

[dbair1967]

Like last year, I like the player (Crawford) just don't understand why we took him.

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Read the article I posted...everyting I see written on the guy says he's an ideal 5T in the making

 

[Midswat]

The Eagles are drafting very well.

The Giants on the other hand? I'm not in love with their selections thus far.

 

[ThoughtExperiment]

Sorry I am just relaying what he said.

Oh, I know.

I've never been a coach so what do I know, but I'd think all coaches would be experts on what the best around the league on their side of the ball are doing. Obviously a ton of it is the players, but as far as scheme and so forth I'd think they'd already know, especially for a team like that that has been so good for so long. Maybe it doesn't usually work like that.

 

[dbair1967]

Oh, I know.

I've never been a coach so what do I know, but I'd think all coaches would be experts on what the best around the league on their side of the ball are doing. Obviously a ton of it is the players, but as far as scheme and so forth I'd think they'd already know, especially for a team like that that has been so good for so long. Maybe it doesn't usually work like that.

I see comments from coaches all the time about how they go study certain aspects of successful teams and try to implement some of it into what they are doing

 

[Bob Sacamano]

If we could get Joe Adams and Ronald Leary, plus a Dlineman and a safety, I would call it a good draft.

 

[cmd34]

http://cowboysblog.dallasnews.com/a...m&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=br_cowboys

Jerry Jones: Cowboys would've drafted Utah State ILB Bobby Wagner with No. 45 overall pick

By Jon Machota / Special Contributor
jmachota@dallasnews.com | Bio
10:45 PM on Fri., Apr. 27, 2012 | Permalink
IRVING, Texas -- When the No. 45 overall pick came and went Friday night it was difficult not to speculate who the Cowboys could've selected had they not traded that pick to the St. Louis Rams as part of the package that helped acquire the sixth overall selection, cornerback Morris Claiborne.

Asked about that scenario following the end of the third round Friday night, Jones struggled to think of the name of the player the Cowboys liked when the 45th pick was on the board. All he seemed to remember was that it was a linebacker.

About five minutes later Jones finally came up with the name: "Wagner."

That would be Utah State inside linebacker Bobby Wagner, who went 47th overall to the Seattle Seahawks. The 6-0, 240-pounder was ranked by many experts as one of the top five inside linebackers in the draft. However, it would've been somewhat of a surprising pick considering the Cowboys already have Sean Lee, Dan Connor and Bruce Carter, last year's second round pick, at that position. It would've marked the third consecutive year the Cowboys used their second-round pick on an inside linebacker.

Jones specifically ruled out selecting Wisconsin center Peter Konz at that selection and denied that the team would've traded up in the second round to draft Alabama OLB Courtney Upshaw.

"I don't think we would have," Jones said of trading up to grab Upshaw, who went 35th overall to the Baltimore Ravens. "There was a good player there."

Jones added: "We measured it every way, who, what would it have been, who we would have gotten, and we would have had to taken this. We had to have something to do, we were sitting on our [butts].

"But we're proud we got what we got."

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A good player but a smallish 4-3 type weakside backer. I just don't get how this team views it's holes/needs. He would have been competing with Connor and Carter to play opposite Lee. We'd have 4 solid CB's and 4 solid ILB's and zero Centers, suspect Guards and Safeties.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

113. Joe Adams, WR, Arkansas/Jairus Wright
135. Rokevious Watkins, OG, South Carolina
152. DeQuan Menzie, DB, Alabama/Robert Blanton, DB, Notre Dame
186. Brett Roy, DL, Nevada
222. Gino Gradkowski, C, Delaware

 

[cmd34]

The Center and Safety thing puzzles me on two levels.

One, who is evaluating their play? Why/how do they justify it?


Two, when you keep players like Costa, who was awful, how do you preach accountability to anyone else. You tell Mike Jenkins he needs to step up, play better, and then you go out and invest free agent money and your 1st two picks in the draft on better Cornerbacks meanwhile Costa is out there endangering Romo's health and you let that stand?

Competition, accountability is what Jason talks about all of the time. I want to believe him, he sounds legit when he says it. Then we reward mediocrity ..franchising Spencer, extending Sensabaugh, not prioritizing a replacement for Costa and suddenly this organization seems as chaotic and dysfunctional as ever.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Bobby Wagner isn't that small. He's 6' 241.

The 3-4 is changing, cmd.

 

[cmd34]

Bobby Wagner isn't that small. He's 6' 241.

The 3-4 is changing, cmd.

He's 6 foot and weighed in at 233 at the combine. I really like the player but he's a tad small for a 3-4 ILB. 3-4 ILB's have to take on O Linemen and he loses that battle on most plays.

He's very fast and I'm sure Ryan would love him. He could be what Bruce Carter should be. We already have Bruce Carter. We just can't keep being small at every front 7 position, slow at safety, and expect to be an effective and consistent NFL defense.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

He's 6 foot and weighed in at 233 at the combine. I really like the player but he's a tad small for a 3-4 ILB. 3-4 ILB's have to take on O Linemen and he loses that battle on most plays.

He's very fast and I'm sure Ryan would love him. He could be what Bruce Carter should be. We already have Bruce Carter. We just can't keep being small at every front 7 position, slow at safety, and expect to be an effective and consistent NFL defense.

241 was his weight at the Senior Bowl. It's true, we would be trading girth for speed, but with the spread offense being a major part of the NFL, it's what it's come down to.

idk though, Bruce Carter doesn't inspire much confidence in me. Yes, he's a great athlete, but appears to be dumb as a bucket of rocks.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

The Steelers took an even smaller ILB than Bobby Wagner when they drafted Sean Spence in the 2nd.

 

[UVAwahoos]

The Center and Safety thing puzzles me on two levels.

One, who is evaluating their play? Why/how do they justify it?


Two, when you keep players like Costa, who was awful, how do you preach accountability to anyone else. You tell Mike Jenkins he needs to step up, play better, and then you go out and invest free agent money and your 1st two picks in the draft on better Cornerbacks meanwhile Costa is out there endangering Romo's health and you let that stand?

Competition, accountability is what Jason talks about all of the time. I want to believe him, he sounds legit when he says it. Then we reward mediocrity ..franchising Spencer, extending Sensabaugh, not prioritizing a replacement for Costa and suddenly this organization seems as chaotic and dysfunctional as ever.

dramatic, slow agreement clap.

 

[LAZARUS_LOGAN]

The Center and Safety thing puzzles me on two levels.

One, who is evaluating their play? Why/how do they justify it?


Two, when you keep players like Costa, who was awful, how do you preach accountability to anyone else. You tell Mike Jenkins he needs to step up, play better, and then you go out and invest free agent money and your 1st two picks in the draft on better Cornerbacks meanwhile Costa is out there endangering Romo's health and you let that stand?

Competition, accountability is what Jason talks about all of the time. I want to believe him, he sounds legit when he says it. Then we reward mediocrity ..franchising Spencer, extending Sensabaugh, not prioritizing a replacement for Costa and suddenly this organization seems as chaotic and dysfunctional as ever.

POST OF THE YEAR.

The whole entire thing is sickening. I'm fucking tired of an owner/wannabee GM, an HC, and a DC that think they are smarter than anyone else in not just the room, but the entire league. I'm tire of the contrarian mentality of defying conventional wisdom/common sense for the sake of wanting to be trendsetters. Running a 3-4 defense with a 285 lbs. NT. Sorry, I can't get excited about Tyrone Crawford. I'm sure he is a decent player, according to most of you, but are you sure he's better than what we already have at that position? Couldn't we have improved the DE position by drafting a space-eating NT and moving Ratliff to DE, and then putting Lissemore at the other DE? I mean we were told that the reason Lissemore was drafted because of his athleticism, high motor, and more importanly because he reminded them of Ratliff. So why not play him?


And then there is Spencer. A guy that admitted to taking plays off while playing in a CONTRACT YEAR. Most players put their best foot forward in a contract year because they want that big contract, but not Spencer. And so how do we reward him? We franchise him! Brilliant.

Do you think Bill Bellicek would have rewarded Spencer with a franchise tag? HELL NO! Especially after Spencer declared that he took plays off.

I'm sure Claiborne is a stud and I am warming up to the pick. But you have to ask yourself this: why are the Giants, Patriots, Packers, etc are able to win without players like Claiborne that are picked in the top 5?

Why are those teams consistanly picking in the bottom 5 of the draft? Obviously they are not getting the best players in the draft. And yet they continue to select in the bottom of the draft. I'd rather be picking a Chandler Jones in the bottom of the draft than picking Claiborne at the top portion of the draft.

We were going to use our 2nd rounder on an ILB...? SMH. Sheer madness, that has no method to it.

The Patriots draft TWO PASS RUSHERS EARLY. It was a NEED, and they were the BPA for that NEED. They see no shame in it. Those two players are expected to immediately start and contribute. That's how they draft. They must be doing something right.


This Bobby Wagner is listed as an OLB according to cbssports.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Chris Givens is still available. That would be a nice 4th round pick.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

http://www.draftcountdown.com/Results/Best-Day-3.php

 

[dbair1967]

He's 6 foot and weighed in at 233 at the combine. I really like the player but he's a tad small for a 3-4 ILB. 3-4 ILB's have to take on O Linemen and he loses that battle on most plays.

He's very fast and I'm sure Ryan would love him. He could be what Bruce Carter should be. We already have Bruce Carter. We just can't keep being small at every front 7 position, slow at safety, and expect to be an effective and consistent NFL defense.

not sure I'm really buying Jones' comment on this though...have a hard time believing they would have spent another premium pick on an ILB with Lee, Carter and Connor in the fold, unless Wagner's rating was just so much higher than any other players there

 

[dbair1967]

The Center and Safety thing puzzles me on two levels.

One, who is evaluating their play? Why/how do they justify it?


Two, when you keep players like Costa, who was awful, how do you preach accountability to anyone else. You tell Mike Jenkins he needs to step up, play better, and then you go out and invest free agent money and your 1st two picks in the draft on better Cornerbacks meanwhile Costa is out there endangering Romo's health and you let that stand?

Competition, accountability is what Jason talks about all of the time. I want to believe him, he sounds legit when he says it. Then we reward mediocrity ..franchising Spencer, extending Sensabaugh, not prioritizing a replacement for Costa and suddenly this organization seems as chaotic and dysfunctional as ever.

the replacement for Costa might already be here...you are assuming he is the starter and assuming he is on the team, when in fact neither may be true

and I dont understand why it so hard to "get" the Spencer thing. Its not really all that complicated why they did it.

 

[Midswat]

The team liked the player so much, Jerry's dumbass couldn't even remember his name.

 

[dbair1967]

The team liked the player so much, Jerry's dumbass couldn't even remember his name.

kinda further proof of what some of us believe...that he really doesnt have much to do with anything..he signs the checks, nods his head for the camera in the draftroom, runs his mouth to TV and radio...but he aint making most of the decisions