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It was a preseason game, but I think Pittsburgh exposed some issues Philly is going to be dealing with all season.

• Numero uno is the premature crowning of Michael Vick. He has exceptional athleticism and movement skills for a QB, as well as a whiplash arm, but it takes more than that to succeed in the NFL. He had a nice ride last year until teams began game planning for an athlete like him running Andy Reid's offense. He's unique, no doubt, and it took a little while, but defensive coaches caught on toward the end of last season, and Vick began his fall back to earth. The media says he's a reformed player with a new game, but I don't buy it. He'll never be the pocket passer dumbasses in studios around the country claim he's become. Make him stay in the pocket, knock him around, and he'll make mistakes. That was obviously Pissburgh's strategy last night.

• Philly has three good corners, but I think they're all a bit overrated and will be tested as a unit. They're all used to being "The Guy," and I have a hard time believing any of them will be happy sitting on the bench. Reid is either gonna play a ton of nickel or listen to a lot of grumbling. How long 'til we see signs of trouble in paradise?

• The defensive line harasses QBs, but you can punch them in the mouth. With the exception of Jenkins, Philly's D-linemen are finesse guys who can be pushed around. Pissburgh did it all night last night with a patchwork offensive line that was down to a third-stringer at right OT. Part of the problem is the JAGs playing linebacker, who have little experience and no size. I mean, the rookie, Casey Mathews, looks more like Repunzel running around out there than an NFL MLB. The other two starters, Chaney and Fokou, are a 2nd and a third year guy who go 240 and 236 respectively.

• Speaking of young guys in over their heads, how about Nate Allen and Kurt Coleman? Philly may have some studs at corner, but their safety situation looks worse than ours. I'll admit, I wanted Nate Allen last year, but from what I saw last night I'm really glad Jerry passed. Both he and Coleman looked lost most of the time got roasted badly more than a handful of times. And like 2/3 of the team's top three CBs, neither safety looked like he especially wanted to hit anything.

• Other than Peters and maybe Herremans, the starting OL doesn't exactly scream "DOMINANCE." Jammal Brown is an average player. Rookie Danny Watkins is an unknown quantity, and unfortunately for Vick, King Dunlap isn't. (Ryan Harris will prolly be starting at RT when the regular season rolls around.) I was actually surprised at times at how well the five of them held up against the Pissburgh blitz, but the Vickolator was still running for his life most of the five minutes he was on the field in the first half. Pass blocking aside, though, I think Philly is going to have some real problems. I think the rushing yards the Eagles managed last night were a testimony to the quality of their RBs. McCoy is faaaaast and slick as snot. All of his yards came off cutbacks away from where a hole was supposed to be. Defensive coordinators will shut that crap down in the regular season.

Bottom line: Did Philly really manage the cap better than everyone else? I'd argue that there's a reason they had tons of money to spend and are the youngest team in the league. Instead of ponying up and paying their vets, they let some good players go and replaced them with unproven commodities, guys like Stewart Bradley, Quintin Mikell and Shaun Andrews. They spent a ton of money on NA and Jenkins, but nothing at safety, linebacker or offensive line. This team created huge holes for itself by doing what it gets lauded for: letting players go at the "right" time and replacing them by drafting solidly. Except Philly hasn't done so hot in the latter department of late. It's ironic to me how the team-building philosophy which has made the Philadelphia Eagles the model NFL franchise went out the window this offseason, and now the team is being praised for becoming the Washington Redskins. Obviously, it remains to be seen how this is going to play out, but I can't see an attempt to buy a Super Bowl working any better in Philthadelphia than it has anywhere else.
 
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Great write up VAcowboy. I mirror a lot of your thoughts.

I had to laugh earlier this off season when Marty Morningwhig suggested that Vick could be better than Steve Young. That's ridiculous.

Vick peaked middle of the year last season, because he went into the year with no real expectations, and defensive coordinators really having no idea what to expect. Once they started bringing the heat, he came down to earth a little.

Am I suggesting that Vick is a bum? No - he's the 2nd best QB in the division (behind Romo). But I don't like him to be able to carry the Eagles to any championships.


The Eagles have major concerns at OL and linebacker. I think their safeties will be okay. Nate Allen is a good young player, and Jaquan Jarrett has potential. It won't be easy to pass on that team, but they'll get gashed in the run game and will likely continue to suffer from dump offs and quick WR screens that they haven't been able to solve for a number of years.
 

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I loved Allen coming out of college, but he sure didn't show me anything last night. I thought he was a much more physical player.
 

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That was a great baseball game last night. Too bad we lost.
 

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espn_macmahon Tim MacMahon
Only at JerryWorld: A Chargers kicker is trying to warm up while dodging toddlers whose parents paid for the stadium tour.



Reminds me of last year when the Cowboys were trying to practice while there was one of those inflatable bounce castles at midfield. Football sometimes comes first.
 

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Excellant write up. I know that there LBs are not great, but you would think that going to a nickel defense would be the WRONG thing to do. Witten will eat that alive.

I've always said that is one of the biggest problems with the Eagles. It's been overlooked but they are as bad as the Redskins when it comes to free agents. To an extent the Redskins do take care of their players, certain ones that is. But other than McNabb, what Eagles' player have the organization taken care of? Jackson seeing all this money being handed out to players that have not so far contributed to the Eagles success, and now the Eagles wnat to play hardball.

Evberybody talks about how bad our 2009 draft was, but what about the Eagles' draft dfrom last year? They had 13 picks, and so far only one of them (Nate Allen) has panned out but it looked like he regressed or maybe will undergo a sophmore slump.
 
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Two pre-season games in a row the Redskins have looked really good.

John Beck was very impressive. Might the Redskins actually have something there? Quick decisions, stood in the pocket and delivered the ball, good mobility, accurate.

Hightower and Helu both ran well. Helu toe tapped down the sidelines and had a very nice 60 yard run early in the game.

Trent Williams wasn't very impressive. He kept getting pushed back, and surrendered at least 1 sack that I saw.

The Redskins might be better than I expected this year. Which isn't saying too much, as I expected them to be a 5 win team.
 

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This might be one of the more interesting seasons within the division over the last decade. I can't get a feel for what's going on with any of the East's teams at all.
 

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Two pre-season games in a row the Redskins have looked really good.

John Beck was very impressive. Might the Redskins actually have something there? Quick decisions, stood in the pocket and delivered the ball, good mobility, accurate.

Hightower and Helu both ran well. Helu toe tapped down the sidelines and had a very nice 60 yard run early in the game.

Trent Williams wasn't very impressive. He kept getting pushed back, and surrendered at least 1 sack that I saw.

The Redskins might be better than I expected this year. Which isn't saying too much, as I expected them to be a 5 win team.


I wouldn't look too much into that game. The Colts always stink it up in preseason. They are 4-18 in preseason since 2006, and before last night's game, they lost 7 in a row.
 

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I wouldn't look too much into that game. The Colts always stink it up in preseason. They are 4-18 in preseason since 2006, and before last night's game, they lost 7 in a row.

I kind of agree. But while I think preseason games are mostly useless for predicting division winners and Super Bowl teams, I believe you CAN pick up on trends. And what I've seen out of Washington the past two weeks has been some fairly crisp execution on offense and physicality on D. I hate Shanahan's dirty blocking schemes, but his offense is fun to watch when it's being run well, and I saw a good bit of that last night, especially on the ground. I've never been a big Shanny fan, but what I do fear most is his patented running game. The other thing that struck me last night was that Beck looked exactly like everything Shanahan has described him as: a mobile, accurate decision maker with an excellent football IQ.

Now, don't get me wrong. We all know teams that look like Super Bowl champs this time of year often win more games in August than they do over the next five months. The Skins do and always will suck my ass. I just think it's possible that they may not suck quite as hard in 2011 as most of us expect them to.
 
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I agree completely VA... again.

While the Colts looked really flat and unmotivated, the Skins looked crisp and aggressive. If nothing else, they're setting a tone for the season.

They very well could win 7 to 9 games this year.
 

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I kind of agree. But while I think preseason games are mostly useless for predicting division winners and Super Bowl teams, I believe you CAN pick up on trends. And what I've seen out of Washington the past two weeks has been some fairly crisp execution on offense and physicality on D. I hate Shanahan's dirty blocking schemes, but his offense is fun to watch when it's being run well, and I saw a good bit of that last night, especially on the ground. I've never been a big Shanny fan, but what I do fear most is his patented running game. The other thing that struck me last night was that Beck looked exactly like everything Shanahan has described him as: a mobile, accurate decision maker with an excellent football IQ.

Now, don't get me wrong. We all know teams that look like Super Bowl champs this time of year often win more games in August than they do over the next five months. The Skins do and always will suck my ass. I just think it's possible that they may not suck quite as hard in 2011 as most of us expect them to.


Thye continue to struggle in the red zone. Also, I seem to recall as to how the Lions went 4-0 in the preseason and they also looked crisp and executed well, and then finshied the regular season at 0-16. Just sayin'.
 

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I agree completely VA... again.

While the Colts looked really flat and unmotivated, the Skins looked crisp and aggressive. If nothing else, they're setting a tone for the season.

They very well could win 7 to 9 games this year.

Slow your roll, homie. 7 has got to be the absolute top of their scale, doesn't it? I guess it depends on how the Giants and the Vikings are doing...if they're OK and the Cowboys don't implode, I can't imagine them winning more than 6. And that's WITH giving them the away game @Seattle and winning a couple in the East. Their December is going to be a sonofabitch.
 
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Thye continue to struggle in the red zone. Also, I seem to recall as to how the Lions went 4-0 in the preseason and they also looked crisp and executed well, and then finshied the regular season at 0-16. Just sayin'.

Laz... you're just being a hater.

There aren't any Skins fans here, so you can let your guard down and give credit where credit is due.

Is anyone saying the Skins are going to win the East? No.

But if you've seen them play this pre-season, they've looked better than they have in years - to include Joe Gibbs v2.
 
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Slow your roll, homie. 7 has got to be the absolute top of their scale, doesn't it? I guess it depends on how the Giants and the Vikings are doing...if they're OK and the Cowboys don't implode, I can't imagine them winning more than 6. And that's WITH giving them the away game @Seattle and winning a couple in the East. Their December is going to be a sonofabitch.

I haven't looked at their schedule. But I think we'll sweep them :)towel) but that they could split with the Giants and Eagles.

I think the Giants could very well be the 4th team in the division this year.
 

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I haven't looked at their schedule. But I think we'll sweep them :)towel) but that they could split with the Giants and Eagles.

I think the Giants could very well be the 4th team in the division this year.

That wouldn't surprise me in the least. Some of their decisions this off-season have been strange and the vibe coming from over there is pretty bad.

I haven't listened to what that turd Adam Schein has been saying, but it would give me great pleasure to hear him shut up for awhile.
 

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Thye continue to struggle in the red zone. Also, I seem to recall as to how the Lions went 4-0 in the preseason and they also looked crisp and executed well, and then finshied the regular season at 0-16. Just sayin'.

As I said, lots of teams win a ton of games when they don't count and then lose when they do. No argument from me there. I hope the Skins go 4-0 and then don't win another game til August 2012. I was just saying what I saw, and what I saw was a very different Redskin team than I've seen in recent offseasons past.
 

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Laz... you're just being a hater.

There aren't any Skins fans here, so you can let your guard down and give credit where credit is due.

Is anyone saying the Skins are going to win the East? No.

But if you've seen them play this pre-season, they've looked better than they have in years - to include Joe Gibbs v2.


Yes I am. But I can see them winning 7 games. Maybe 8. They have a tough beginning schedule and then a tough ending schedule. I imagine them coming out of the gate fast like last year, and then fizzling. 7 games would be enough to keep them out of the Luck sweepstakes.
 

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I haven't looked at their schedule. But I think we'll sweep them :)towel) but that they could split with the Giants and Eagles.

I think the Giants could very well be the 4th team in the division this year.


I've learned many years ago to NEVER underestimate the Giants, especially when they have had a particularly quiet offseason. I cannot possibly see a team with Nicks and Manningham at WR, and even Eli, and then their defense...finishing 4th in the division. That's just crazy.
 
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