2011 Season Game Threads Mega-Merge

marionbarberthe4th · Oct 11, 2011

1. No

2. Theyre making it harder on those of us who came around on that pick

3. For 1 yard

Bob Sacamano · Oct 11, 2011

1. Yes

2. Believe

3. 2.5

Cr122 · Oct 11, 2011

1. What

2. The

3. Fuck

peplaw06 · Oct 11, 2011

Bob Sacamano said:
*sigh* I can just do a quick search comparing Romo and Aaron Rodgers for the last seasons (20 games), and Romo has 1 less lost turnover (INT, lost fumble) in 10 less games played.

Romo: 12 INTs, 1 lost fumble

Rodgers: 13 INTs, 1 lost fumble

I consider them both to be very good QBs, while one is changing the possession due to a turnover a good amount more than the other on a per game basis.

2009 - 2010... the last full season Romo played.

Rodgers - 64.7% completions, 30 TDs, 7 INTs, 4 Fumbles lost
Romo - 63.1%, 26 TDs, 9 INTs, 4 Fumbles lost

Stats can be manipulated to show what you want them to show. You have to go deeper than that to "dissect" someone's game.

superpunk · Oct 11, 2011

choice can get you 2.5 if the blocking is perfect

Bob Sacamano · Oct 11, 2011

Problem with that peplaw is Rodgers looks to have finished maturing as a player while Romo is staying at the same level of a developing QB. Which is why I've taken their most recent games.

peplaw06 · Oct 11, 2011

Bob Sacamano said:
Problem with that peplaw is Rodgers looks to have finished maturing as a player while Romo is staying at the same level of a developing QB. Which is why I've taken their most recent games.

The problem with that is Romo was overcompensating for shitty coaching combined with an equally shitty defense last season and had to try to win games single-handedly. He's not "staying at the same level." His stats have regressed since 2009. I don't think anyone with a functioning brain stem would say Romo is declining in his skills. It's the play of the guys around him that has been the problem.

Bob Sacamano · Oct 11, 2011

peplaw06 said:
The problem with that is Romo was overcompensating for shitty coaching combined with an equally shitty defense last season and had to try to win games single-handedly. He's not "staying at the same level." His stats have regressed since 2009. I don't think anyone with a functioning brain stem would say Romo is declining in his skills. It's the play of the guys around him that has been the problem.

I didn't say he's declining, I'm saying he's at the same point he was in '06...not fully grasping the benefits of the safe play.

Cythim · Oct 11, 2011

peplaw06 said:
The problem with that is Romo was overcompensating for shitty coaching combined with an equally shitty defense last season and had to try to win games single-handedly. He's not "staying at the same level." His stats have regressed since 2009. I don't think anyone with a functioning brain stem would say Romo is declining in his skills. It's the play of the guys around him that has been the problem.

So Romo got us a big lead against Detroit but the guys around him threw three INTs? lol

Bob Sacamano · Oct 11, 2011

Cythim said:
So Romo got us a big lead against Detroit but the guys around him threw three INTs? lol

*chuckles*

peplaw06 · Oct 11, 2011

Bob Sacamano said:
I didn't say he's declining, I'm saying he's at the same point he was in '06...not fully grasping the benefits of the safe play.

He was much better in 09 than he was in 06. He clearly got better from his first season.

peplaw06 · Oct 11, 2011

Cythim said:
So Romo got us a big lead against Detroit but the guys around him threw three INTs? lol

What part of "last season" did you not understand?

Cythim · Oct 12, 2011

peplaw06 said:
What part of "last season" did you not understand?

Probably the part where you used present tense in your post.

"I don't think anyone with a functioning brain stem would say Romo is declining in his skills."

Bob Sacamano · Oct 12, 2011

peplaw06 said:
He was much better in 09 than he was in 06. He clearly got better from his first season.

Has he learned the benefits of the safe play yet? It doesnt appear that he has. He's had since '06 to.

peplaw06 · Oct 12, 2011

Cythim said:
Probably the part where you used present tense in your post.

"I don't think anyone with a functioning brain stem would say Romo is declining in his skills."

Yeah, Bob tried to compare statistics from Rodgers and Romo beginning of last season to the present. Hence my use of present tense. I'm commenting about last season and the first few games of this season as a whole, not one game specifically. That's the problem you run into when trying to interject yourself in a conversation...

peplaw06 · Oct 12, 2011

Bob Sacamano said:
Has he learned the benefits of the safe play yet? It doesnt appear that he has. He's had since '06 to.

Yeah I'm pretty sure he has. We haven't seen what happened in the Lions game from Romo before... Why would you think that this is who Romo is? Unless you just want him to be a failure...

Bob Sacamano · Oct 12, 2011

peplaw06 said:
Yeah I'm pretty sure he has. We haven't seen what happened in the Lions game from Romo before... Why would you think that this is who Romo is? Unless you just want him to be a failure...

You've never seen Romo not get enough air underneath the football because he threw off his backfoot, leading to an INT, because a defender was very much in the area of the pass, before? LOL

He's been doing that since '06.

And I'm not even going to address the CZ default "clincher" argument of hoping a Cowboy player fails.

peplaw06 · Oct 12, 2011

Bob Sacamano said:
You've never seen Romo not get enough air underneath the football because he threw off his backfoot, leading to an INT before? He's been doing that since '06.

No, we've never seen Romo basically single-handedly lose a game by shitting the bed when we had a two-score lead... at least not that I remember. FYI, I'm not counting the Jets because there were a lot of mistakes that led to that loss aside from Romo's fumble and INT, primarily a blocked punt for a TD. Romo's really the only person on the field who caused that loss last week. But it's not like it's an every week occurrence with him. Even if you want to count the Jets game, it doesn't happen all the time from him. Sure he makes mistakes, but he still puts us in a position to win most of the time.

And I'm not even going to address the CZ default "clincher" argument of hoping a Cowboy player fails.

It has nothing to do with CZ... I know you think that's some huge insult in here. The question is still pertinent. This isn't a 50-50 situation where the glass is either half full or half empty. It's a situation where the glass is 3/4 full and you think it's completely empty.

Bob Sacamano · Oct 12, 2011

peplaw06 said:
No, we've never seen Romo basically single-handedly lose a game by shitting the bed when we had a two-score lead... at least not that I remember. FYI, I'm not counting the Jets because there were a lot of mistakes that led to that loss aside from Romo's fumble and INT, primarily a blocked punt for a TD. Romo's really the only person on the field who caused that loss last week. But it's not like it's an every week occurrence with him. Even if you want to count the Jets game, it doesn't happen all the time from him. Sure he makes mistakes, but he still puts us in a position to win most of the time.

The fact that he still makes the same mistakes over and over does mean quite much, and which is the point I'm getting across. The fact that he can't seem to get rid of what should be old, rookie habits is quite concerning. It's one thing to go down fighting valiantly, but to self-implode is simply another, ridiculous matter.

peplaw06 said:
It has nothing to do with CZ... I know you think that's some huge insult in here. The question is still pertinent. This isn't a 50-50 situation where the glass is either half full or half empty. It's a situation where the glass is 3/4 full and you think it's completely empty.

It has everything to do with CZ, because that's all the homers over there do. Question a fan's loyalty because they aren't rosy in their eval of players. "Oh, you're not 100% behind blah blah blah, you want him to fail!" :jerkoff

And I never inferred any doom and gloom, never said that we're going to be a losing football club with Romo as the QB. So I don't know where you're getting this glass is completely empty analogy from.

peplaw06 · Oct 12, 2011

Bob Sacamano said:
The fact that he still makes the same mistakes over and over does mean quite much, and which is the point I'm getting across. The fact that he can't seem to get rid of what should be old, rookie habits is quite concerning. It's one thing to go down fighting valiantly, but to self-implode is simply another, ridiculous matter.

This is what I'm talking about.... what are the old, rookie habits you are referring to? Is it just that he's turning the ball over?

You can't just throw out some cliche that he's making rookie mistakes and expect everyone to eat up your earth-shattering analysis. You've got to go deeper than that. I'm not interested in sound-bites. I'm not interested in the ESPN/NFLN talking head, surface analysis. I don't think that saying Romo makes rookie mistakes is going to convince me that he's never going to win a Super Bowl. I have to think things through more than that.

It has everything to do with CZ, because that's all the homers over there do. Question a fan's loyalty because they aren't rosy in their eval of players. "Oh, you're not 100% behind blah blah blah, you want him to fail!"

And I never inferred any doom and gloom, never said that we're going to be a losing football club with Romo as the QB. So I don't know where you're getting this glass is completely empty analogy from.

I never questioned your loyalty. And my analogy goes directly to the conversation we are having. I consider the glass to be full when we win a Super Bowl. I think that there is plenty of evidence that I can look to to indicate that Romo can get it done. Statistically speaking and skill level-wise, he's, at the very least, a top 10 QB in this league. He's led this team to a 13 win season, and he has steadily improved from his first start.

Of course, winning the Super Bowl is a difficult proposition that takes a whole lot of other things falling right to make it happen. If I had to rank the QBs who had the best chance to win the Super Bowl by ability and intangibles, he would be in the top 1/4 of the league.

A few people have chimed in that Romo absolutely will not win a Super Bowl. Your comments about him lead me to believe you think that as well. That's why I say you're seeing the glass completely empty.

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