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http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/oct/25/real-republican-party-rape-platform?

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Mainstream GOP leaders, including Mitt Romney, campaign with conservative activists who lament the fact that women today no longer fully submit to the authority of their husbands and fathers, mourn a better time when you could legally beat your wife, and celebrate the laws of places like Saudi Arabia where men are properly in charge. Senate Republicans, including Republican vice-presidential candidate Paul Ryan and "legitimate rape" Todd Akin, blocked the reauthorization of the Violence Against Women Act. And Ryan and Akin joined forces again to propose "personhood" legislation in Washington, DC that would define a fertilized egg as a person from the moment sperm meets egg, outlawing abortion in all cases and many forms of contraception, and raising some serious questions about how, exactly, such a law would be enforced.

Underlying the Republican rape comments and actual Republican political goals are a few fundamental convictions: first, women are vessels for childbearing and care-taking; second, women cannot be trusted; and third, women are the property of men.

Mourdock's statement that conceiving from rape is a gift positions women as receptacles, not as autonomous human beings. This view of women as vessels – vessels for sex with their husbands, vessels for carrying a pregnancy, vessels for God's plan – is a necessary component of the kind of extreme anti-abortion legislation most Republican politicians support.

So is the idea that women are both fundamentally unintelligent and dishonest. Akin's "legitimate rape" comment and Rivard's contention that "some girls rape easy" rely on the idea that women routinely lie about rape and shouldn't be believed; blocking VAWA relied partly on similar logic put forward by men's rights activists, that women lie about being abused in order to secure citizenship and other benefits. Hostility to abortion rights similarly positions rightwing lawmakers as the best people to determine whether or not any particular woman should be legally compelled to carry a pregnancy to term.

Women, they seem to think, don't know their own bodies or their own lives, and cannot be trusted to determine for themselves whether continuing a pregnancy is a good idea.

Rape treats women as vessels, disregarding our autonomy and our right to control what happens to us physically and sexually. The Republican position is that women are not entitled to make fundamental decisions about our own bodies and our own sexual and reproductive health. When that position is written into the GOP platform and is a legislative priority, can we really be surprised when it's further reflected in Republican legislators' comments on rape?

These aren't a few errant remarks from insensitive politicians. They're at the heart of the Republican party's agenda.

One of the scariest part of possibly having someone from the republican cast of Mad Men as your president would be the possibility of them appointing SC justices who would advance this ancient agenda, stripping women's rights and removing funding for planned parenthood (which would actually lead to MORE abortions).

Why any woman would vote for these clowns is incomprehensible.
 

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Right Republican women are the only people who should care about women's rights.

DOESN'T AFFECT ME SO FUCK IT I'M VOTING FOR ROMNEY. ENJOY HAVING YOUR RIGHTS STRIPPED AWAY LADIES.
 
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Right Republican women are the only people who should care about women's rights.

DOESN'T AFFECT ME SO FUCK IT I'M VOTING FOR ROMNEY. ENJOY HAVING YOUR RIGHTS STRIPPED AWAY LADIES.
You're fucking clueless as to this issue... I'm not wasting my time on your scare mongering.
 

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When is it ok to get an abortion?

Let's ask the esteemed senator from South Dakota

BILL NAPOLI: A real-life description to me would be a rape victim, brutally raped, savaged. The girl was a virgin. She was religious. She planned on saving her virginity until she was married. She was brutalized and raped, sodomized as bad as you can possibly make it, and is impregnated. I mean, that girl could be so messed up, physically and psychologically, that carrying that child could very well threaten her life.
Seems pretty detailed, Bill. Is this an instance where rape might neccessitate abortion or are you jacking off under the table? Sorry irreligious non-virgins.

So what should we do in the case of other rapes, Bill?

BILL NAPOLI: When I was growing up here in the wild west, if a young man got a girl pregnant out of wedlock, they got married, and the whole darned neighborhood was involved in that wedding. I mean, you just didn't allow that sort of thing to happen, you know? I mean, they wanted that child to be brought up in a home with two parents, you know, that whole story. And so I happen to believe that can happen again.

Oh well ok at least that has a basis in the bible. Hooray biblical morality as policy! Thanks, Bill!
 
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This is a party that's so far out of touch with reality that it's terrifying. Bring on Sharia Law.
 

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Liberals are now the party of reality because they favor baby murder.


Got it.
 

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Liberals are now the party of reality because they favor baby murder.


Got it.

Or in a woman's right to decide what happens to her body.

Just another disconnect from reality from the Republican party. They want corporations to be free to dump whatever the fuck they want wherever the fuck they want but a woman wants to make decisions that affect the rest of her life and suddenly they are all government get in that vagina!
 

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DOnt tell them what to do with their bodies sheik.

I don't tell anyone what to do with their bodies.

I don't tell anyone who to marry.

Those things don't matter to me.

I'll break it down for you. If someone wants an abortion, if someone wants birth control, if someone wants healthcare, then the MFers need to pay for it themselves.

Its time for people to take care of themselves. It seems like everything the liberals want, they also want GOV to pay for it. It's bullshit.
 

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Or in a woman's right to decide what happens to her body.

Just another disconnect from reality from the Republican party. They want corporations to be free to dump whatever the fuck they want wherever the fuck they want but a woman wants to make decisions that affect the rest of her life and suddenly they are all government get in that vagina!


See the post where I say I don't give a shit about abortion. It's small potatoes.
 

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I'll break it down for you. If someone wants an abortion, if someone wants birth control, if someone wants healthcare, then the MFers need to pay for it themselves.

What would you rather pay for - birth control programs or 18 years of welfare? Poor people aren't going to stop having sex - and they reproduce faster than wealthier, more intelligent citizens because they are uneducated.

Protip - states with the lowest funding for planned parenthood, sex education and the like also have the highest rates of teen pregnancy, and are the most welfare dependent states in the nation. You want to save money? Empower women with easier access to planned parenthood, birth control, and fund the shit out of sex education.

Birth control is way cheaper than 18+ years of government assistance. I know which one I'd choose. Saying you want to get rid of both is just tilting at windmills. You're not going to stop these people from having sex. You need to educate them about it and make it possible for them to avoid conceiving when they are not capable of providing for a child.
 

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What would you rather pay for - birth control programs or 18 years of welfare? Poor people aren't going to stop having sex - and they reproduce faster than wealthier, more intelligent citizens because they are uneducated.

Protip - states with the lowest funding for planned parenthood, sex education and the like also have the highest rates of teen pregnancy, and are the most welfare dependent states in the nation. You want to save money? Empower women with easier access to planned parenthood, birth control, and fund the shit out of sex education.

Birth control is way cheaper than 18+ years of government assistance. I know which one I'd choose.

I would rather people be responsible for themselves across the board. I understand your question, but its sad that this country is at that ultimatum.

How about you make and fund your own choices? You wanna kill a baby that some dude squirted into you, pay for the abortion, you wanna have the kid, pay for the kid.
 

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It sounds harsh, but I think the abortion process should include tying the woman's tubes.
 

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I would rather people be responsible for themselves across the board. I understand your question, but its sad that this country is at that ultimatum.

How about you make and fund your own choices? You wanna kill a baby that some dude squirted into you, pay for the abortion, you wanna have the kid, pay for the kid.
Hey America just be smarter about having sex isn't really a solution.

Most of planned parenthoods funding does not go to abortion, it's mostly birth control and health programs for women. Funding it means less abortions, less unwanted pregnancies and less money headed to welfare for unwanted children.

It sounds harsh, but I think the abortion process should include tying the woman's tubes.

It sounds ok at a glance but would it be fair to tie someone's tubes who needed a life-saving abortion? Who are you going to trust in the government to make that call? Unreasonable.
 
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