Wisconsin today

[dbair1967]

I also do not believe that outside of a few social issues --and fewer then many would like to think-- that there is really no significant policymaking differences between the two candidates for bureaucrat-in-chief. Just look at Romney's record in MA and Obama in the WH. The rhetoric does not match reality.

I'm not a huge Romney fan and fill he is more of a moderate Republican, but he is more conservative on just about everything than Obama. Romney is definitely not a socialist, and Obama definitely is.

 

[cmd34]

It's good to see you are a sheep in all aspects of life and not just your Jerry Jones' sunshine pumping.

 

[dbair1967]

It's good to see you are a sheep in all apsects of life and not just your Jerry Jones' sunshine pumping.

please tell me you arnt in the Socialist's camp too

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I'm not a huge Romney fan and fill he is more of a moderate Republican, but he is more conservative on just about everything than Obama. Romney is definitely not a socialist, and Obama definitely is.

Yeah his Treasury Department has just been a beacon of socialist ideals.... :confused

You can quibble about whether or not the GM/Chrysler bailouts was really about the UAW but exactly what have been the socialist policies? All I can say is I miss Bill Buckley.

Oh noes the Red Scare!!! And if you bring up health care then all I can say is: Massachusetts.

 

[dbair1967]

Yeah his Treasury Department has just been a beacon of socialist ideals.... :confused

You can quibble about whether or not the GM/Chrysler bailouts was really about the UAW but exactly what have been the socialist policies? All I can say is I miss Bill Buckley.

Dude, come on.

Oh noes the Red Scare!!! And if you bring up health care then all I can say is: Massachusetts.

Its not a red scare, its a fact. He is a socialist. Its what he believes in.

That said the healthcare thing is one of the reasons I dont like Romney. It was a massive failure there, and it'll be even more of a failure nationally if ever implemented. Hopefully the SC does the right thing and overturns all of it, or at least most of it.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Well for a socialist his treasury department does not act it and for all the expansion of medicare involved in obamacare its pretty much a guarantee for new customers for the health care industry as a whole with the mandate. Might as well mandate americans have to buy toaster ovens from GE. scotus is evaluating it on the basis of the individual mandate which i agree is an abomination but thats not a socialist thing its a civil liberty thing.

Exactly what socialist policies has he created? Has anything been nationalized? All i see is the same subsidy systems that have been implemented for the past 150 years. it's not exactly the new deal, social security or the great society going on here. 'socialism' just smacks of typical party rhetoric that just serves to inflame --like the red scare-- rather than look at policy analytically.

 

[dbair1967]

Well for a socialist his treasury department does not act it and for all the expansion of medicare involved in obamacare its pretty much a guarantee for new customers for the health care industry as a whole with the mandate. Might as well mandate americans have to buy toaster ovens from GE. scotus is evaluating it on the basis of the individual mandate which i agree is an abomination but thats not a socialist thing its a civil liberty thing.

Exactly what socialist policies has he created? Has anything been nationalized? All i see is the same subsidy systems that have been implemented for the past 150 years. it's not exactly the new deal, social security or the great society going on here. 'socialism' just smacks of typical party rhetoric that just serves to inflame --like the red scare-- rather than look at policy analytically.

Its not just the policies, its the suffocating of private business with massive over regulation too.

I dont know how anyone can look at him objectively and not conclude that he is in fact, a socialist.

 

[2233boys]

The socialist claim is typical rehtoric from the Limbaugh Right/"conservatives". Typical divisive talk that offers no solution or any real substance. The kind of bs that continues the divide in the country and destroys any political discourse.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

What regulations? The treasury department has gutted financial reform which was gutted by clinton. Glass-Steagall was not a bad thing.

You can construe anyone as socialist: do you support anti-trust laws? How about the FDA?

Those are technically socialist policies. We live in a mixed economy. Being puritanical is fun and all I guess.

 

[dbair1967]

Eh. Whatever guys.

Keep being blind loyalists to the guy. Hopefully it'll only last a few more months and he'll get shit canned.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I didn't vote for him last time and I am not going to vote for him this time.

If you are going to call someone something i would think you could at least give anecdotes of regulations and industries.

 

[dbair1967]

I didn't vote for him last time and I am not going to vote for him this time.

If you are going to call someone something i would think you could at least give anecdotes of regulations and industries.

theres this thing called the internet, if you google it you'll probably come up with 1000's of articles about it and all sorts of proof points

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

If you look at the 'Where Do you Get Your News From' thread it should be indicative of how I gather news. I am not going to prove your argument for you as I have zero basis for this socialist drivel. I am just asking for some evidence of over-regulation or nationalization of industries. OTOH he has subsidied the solar and auto industry and been anything but regulatory about the mining industry or the financial industry.

As an aside but to the point about how the two parties are pretty much the same thing look no further than the Texas legislature:

http://www.teaparty911.com/blog/joe-straus-texas-tea-party-public-enemy-no-1/

Thats from the tea party complaining about how old guard republicans are allying with the dems to make their own supermajority. You should also note that when I give you info it is from clearly 'conservative' viewpoints. THE GOP and Democratic establishment are the chancellors of the power elite. Maybe you are some ultra wealthy billionaire but the rest of us even those of us who are relatively well off are not represented by them. The two party system is a sham.

 

[dbair1967]

I dont need you to prove it for me, I've done all my work and also have seen it with my own eyes.

The guy's the worst President ever, and he has dug a tremendous hole for our country. We need quality leadership up there now, badly.

As for the two party system, I dont care how many ways its splintered up, until there are term limits nothing will ever get done. These guys want to be career politicians and thats what hurts the system.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Herbert Hoover, Rutherford Hayes, Grover Cleveland, Jimmy Carter, Andrew Jackson, George Bush Jr., and Warren Harding were all appreciably worse than Obama. Genocide, economic freefalls, corruption, demonstrably counterproductive policiymaking etc are all there.

Obama is just an ineffectual sophist ie he cannot get anything done and will say anything to appeal to the pollsters.

Oh and i looked up socialism and obama and it pulled up amnesty and immigration as the basis. First, Obama has no amnesty policy and unfettered immigration is not a socialist ideal. I am still trying to find these supposed regulations and nationalizations. It just seems to me that you are getting caught up in rhetoric and do not pay attention to actual policy. Limbaugh likes saying stuff like that but Limbaugh is a hack.

 

[lons]

dbair, he has a point. If you are gonna say something.... be prepared to back it up or take your medicine. Which is generally why I try and post a link to the most liberal site when debating libs so they can't use my source material against me. If it is one of their own, they gotta just take it.

 

[dbair1967]

dbair, he has a point. If you are gonna say something.... be prepared to back it up or take your medicine. Which is generally why I try and post a link to the most liberal site when debating libs so they can't use my source material against me. If it is one of their own, they gotta just take it.

ok, so maybe he can prove Obama isnt a socialist

 

[lons]

ok, so maybe he can prove Obama isnt a socialist

Again, I'm not against ya. But if you all you bring are things that aren't in evidence then it's really hard to change anyone's mind.

 

[dbair1967]

Again, I'm not against ya. But if you all you bring are things that aren't in evidence then it's really hard to change anyone's mind.

there's almost 4 yrs of hard evidence that any bonehead can easily see for themselves...one can also easily see the guy is a major radical based on his history before the Oval Office as well

 

[lons]

there's almost 4 yrs of hard evidence that any bonehead can easily see for themselves...one can also easily see the guy is a major radical based on his history before the Oval Office as well

And if you don't want folks like him saying he doesn't have to do YOUR fact finding for you. Then you'll link him to 1 or 5 other sites that are beyond the pale so he cannot argue the authenticity.