Who Here is Not Entirely Sold on Dak Prescott?

[Dodger12]

All Scott and Mr. B are doing is doubling down on stupid shit they've said earlier that hasn't panned out. And now we get more stupid shit like Dak is going to make $40 million a year. If that was the case, he would have been signed long ago but the team will not give him $40 million a year unless he plays under the tag and lights it up and proves he's a franchise QB which is something he didn't do this past season.

I don't doubt for a second that if Jerry and company thought Dak was the real deal, he would have been paid already. But even the team realizes they need to surround Dak with talent for him to succeed. That he has a hard time making anyone around him better. That he needs a #1 WR, stud RB and top notch OL. And even that got us to 8 and 8 this year. Dak lost money after the first few games of the season where he beat up on scrubs and had us, including me, believing he was the one. But he gambled and lost.

 

[MrB]

All Scott and Mr. B are doing is doubling down on stupid shit they've said earlier that hasn't panned out. And now we get more stupid shit like Dak is going to make $40 million a year. If that was the case, he would have been signed long ago but the team will not give him $40 million a year unless he plays under the tag and lights it up and proves he's a franchise QB which is something he didn't do this past season.

I don't doubt for a second that if Jerry and company thought Dak was the real deal, he would have been paid already. But even the team realizes they need to surround Dak with talent for him to succeed. That he has a hard time making anyone around him better. That he needs a #1 WR, stud RB and top notch OL. And even that got us to 8 and 8 this year. Dak lost money after the first few games of the season where he beat up on scrubs and had us, including me, believing he was the one. But he gambled and lost.

You may have faith in Jerry but I don’t. He says all the time that deadlines make deals. To him that means if the player holds out long enough he’ll cave to all their demands. He’s proven over and over again that he will cave. I don’t understand how you don’t see that.


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[nickb]

So, you were against the big Romo contract too?
Care to name any of those? Or have any evidence we took anything out of the playbook because we don't have a QB who can throw it? Dude has a highlight reel full of every throw there is, successfully completed. He can make all the throws and HAS made all the throws.

He does dumb stuff at times, misses reads, tries to extend plays too much, takes sacks you shouldn't take, has a lousy ball come out of his hand at times... but that's EVERY QUARTERBACK who has ever played the game in this league. But he protects the ball much better than most, puts in the work and does what he's asked to do. And for the most part does a fine job.

Name me one regularly starting QB who hasn't had stinker games, stinker seasons. Who hasn't been streaky during a season - sometimes all-world great, sometimes stinking the place up. They ain't none. It's part of the game.

All that said, I am against the big contract, and for all the same reasons I was against the Romo deal. Neither guy has any skins on the wall. Dak has NO "leverage" in my eyes. He should be exposed to the free market to find out what he's really worth. THEN we negotiate. We should play hardball with any QB who hasn't accomplished anything.

Sadly no I wasn't against the Romo contract because I felt he was just are best option at the time and there were no other scenarios represented.
I posted that my buddy who works at the Four Seasons ran into Brandin Cooks and he noted that was the case based on when they were doing there work for the Rams-Cowboys game. I can't tell you specifically what routes he can't throw since I am not a connoisseur of every route out there but just thought having an NFL guy drop that was interesting.
I have no proof that anything was taken out of the playbook just as you have no proof that certain routes weren't incorporated into the playbook because Dak couldn't throw them.
I am all in agreement though that Dak has zero leverage here and I would welcome him testing the market.
There was a debate on Speak For Yourself about whether Dak should take what is being offered and Lavar Arrington did mention that if you keep playing hardball and lets say Dallas does let you test the market and all you get is $25M/yr you may regret the bird in the hand.

 

[nickb]

So Romo was a perennial 8-8 QB that underachieved and now Dak is an 8-8 QB who underachieves

What has been consistent between the two QB’s?

Maybe the QB’s haven’t been the limiting factors over the last 10 years

Not the limiting factor but part of the issue.
They touch the ball the most and have the most influence on outcome of games.
I'm not saying Dak is underachieving but I have zero interest in a "stat" QB who leads us to 8-8, 9-7 every year.
Thats Stafford territory, ultimate mediocrity.
I'm sure all of us would rather take Dak's first year at 13-3 when his stats were just ok.

 

[Dodger12]

You may have faith in Jerry but I don’t. He says all the time that deadlines make deals. To him that means if the player holds out long enough he’ll cave to all their demands. He’s proven over and over again that he will cave. I don’t understand how you don’t see that.


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You may absolutely be right about Jerry. It's just my opinion, but I'd think Jerry would pay the QB position if he believed Dak was the franchise. Just an opinion but I agree, you never know with Jerry.

 

[nickb]

You may absolutely be right about Jerry. It's just my opinion, but I'd think Jerry would pay the QB position if he believed Dak was the franchise. Just an opinion but I agree, you never know with Jerry.

Have to agree here that actions speak louder than words.
If Jerry felt this guy was the real deal this contract would already have been done.

 

[Scot]

Have to agree here that actions speak louder than words.
If Jerry felt this guy was the real deal this contract would already have been done.

According to your logic Jerry must not have thought Emmitt Smith was the real deal either in 1993 right?

 

[Scot]

And some of y’all think Dak ain’t gonna get paid?

GTFOH with that nonsense!

 

[Doomsday]

And some of y’all think Dak ain’t gonna get paid?

Who? Nobody here certainly.

 

[icup]

And some of y’all think Dak ain’t gonna get paid?

GTFOH with that nonsense!

 

[lons]

QB isn't the problem in Dallas. You're fine with the one you have. If we could improve it on the cheap I'd love that. But I see no way to get there presently. And even if so it would be a crapshoot, like any rookie QB is.

Yeah, the same things were said about Romo. I love Romo to death, he kept us entertained for a long time. He just wasn't gonna win anything because the money we had to pay him made it almost impossible to put a team around him. QB money is a stupid level high and that's fine, but you can't just give someone money because they are next in line and they've not shown any level of ability to pick up the team and walk over the finish line with the team they can afford around them. By in large, once a QB or really anyone gets paid that money, the team loses a lot of ability to put a team around them. Paying Dak the money, when he's not able to win right now with what we have isn't so much a reflection on him than it is of the stupidity of the current ways they are paying players for what they've done or where they are in line versus production. I'm not trying to play money ball here and I also think Dak is a fine young guy. I just don't think this team can win with him the way they need to. It's just not fiscally viable to pay him when we have so many holes that are opening up due to already paying so many players that aren't worth it as well. It is a vicious cycle and unfortunately, should we pay him and lock us in, we will start that cycle that we already went through with Romo all over again. Our young online is no longer a young o line and its about to have to start back over again. RHG wasted the window and its about to slam shut. That's on Jerry and Co as much as it was RHG, but facts don't care about your feelings. Dak should be let go and frankly so should cooper so a semi-reboot happens.

 

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dak tagged

 

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The Cowboys have placed the exclusive franchise tag on Dak Prescott, according to a source. The Cowboys’ hope is to sign Prescott to a long-term deal well before July 15 but recent talks have not gone far. Since the system has been in place, only eight quarterbacks have been tagged and only two have played under the tag the entire season: Kirk Cousins twice (2016-17) in Washington and Drew Brees in 2005 in San Diego. Next question: Will Prescott show up for offseason work without deal?

 

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[Dodger12]

So we're in pretty new territory here with the tag. If a team can't negotiate with Dak, how will they give up two firsts? I'm wondering if anyone will sniff around and inquire about trading for him.

 

[MrB]

So we're in pretty new territory here with the tag. If a team can't negotiate with Dak, how will they give up two firsts? I'm wondering if anyone will sniff around and inquire about trading for him.

No one is giving up two 1st for Dak AND going to pay him the $40M he wants. There are a couple ways this will go.

A: the Jones’ cave and just pay Dak what he wants. This is still my bet.

B: Dak plays out the year under the franchise tag. The team drafts a QB this off season and grooms him to replace Dak, who the Cowboys let walk after the season.

C: Dak plays the season under the tag. The Cowboys DO NOT draft a QB and then are forced to tag Dak again next offseason. The Cowboys do not prepare for Dak to walk fail to draft a QB. This is my second bet after scenario A.


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[Dodger12]

No one is giving up two 1st for Dak AND going to pay him the $40M he wants. There are a couple ways this will go.

A: the Jones’ cave and just pay Dak what he wants. This is still my bet.

B: Dak plays out the year under the franchise tag. The team drafts a QB this off season and grooms him to replace Dak, who the Cowboys let walk after the season.

C: Dak plays the season under the tag. The Cowboys DO NOT draft a QB and then are forced to tag Dak again next offseason. The Cowboys do not prepare for Dak to walk fail to draft a QB. This is my second bet after scenario A.


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I don't know if teams wouldn't give up two #1's. This is a league desperate for QB's. If Bradford is worth a #1 when he had proven to be an injury prone bust, Dak has to be worth at least that. I think he'll play out the year under the tag and then the team will make a decision then. But who knows how things will go.