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[RoyTheHammer]

played well in both games for sure, did enough to win against det and new england, but in the end we needed them to go on the field and win just like we needed the offense to get on the field and beat ny and ne.

neither unit has been able to do it. We got one good finish from the defense against washington and one good finish from the offense against sf.

neither unit is reliable. Its not stupid to think they have had their problems also, they have overcome alot and have looked spectacular at times but just like in the past under wade and parcells when that unit is on the field to finish a game they have failed more than they have succeeded.

I dont blame the defense for the pats loss at all, but they still contributed by not playing a full complete game. Just like the offense has not.

Ever occur to you that the defense might look alot better to you if they weren't continuously forced back onto the field time and time again late in games?

Our defense is very reliable. They are constantly being put in bad situations late in games though, and no defense can hold every time. They more you put them out there late in games, the more chance there is that the other team will score eventually.

They held the Lions to 20 points, they held NE to 20 points.. we should have won both games.

 

[carphalen5150]

The offense gave up 14 points to the Lions and held the Pats to under 30 points for the first time in 13 games. If the offense gets one first down on the second to last drive, game over.

 

[Theebs]

Ever occur to you that the defense might look alot better to you if they weren't continuously forced back onto the field time and time again late in games?

Our defense is very reliable. They are constantly being put in bad situations late in games though, and no defense can hold every time. They more you put them out there late in games, the more chance there is that the other team will score eventually.

They held the Lions to 20 points, they held NE to 20 points.. we should have won both games.

Yes I agree with that. The stop before we went three and out was the stop to win the game, but it didnt because the head coach bailed on the qb. Now he is telling the defense to go win the game and they couldnt.

and if you step back and look at our three losses you will see the other team, the jets, lions and patriots all asked there defense to go out and get a final stop to win and they did? I dont understand where the difference is. Detroit got numerous stops to win playing their best in the end, the pats got two big stops in the 4th qtr and the jets did also.

there defenses got the stops when the game was close or tied and then ended it with the lead.

when our team starts playing like this on a consistent level then imo, we can blame one person or one unit. For now to me the whole lot of them is unreliable.

Again, so you dont misunderstand, the defense did enough to win sunday and against detroit, but there are times when they have to do a little more....If they need to go on the field and finish a game then that is what they need to do. They dont get paid to make plays, they get payed to make enough plays to win a damn game.

 

[Maveric]

played well in both games for sure, did enough to win against det and new england, but in the end we needed them to go on the field and win just like we needed the offense to get on the field and beat ny and ne.

neither unit has been able to do it. We got one good finish from the defense against washington and one good finish from the offense against sf.

neither unit is reliable. Its not stupid to think they have had their problems also, they have overcome alot and have looked spectacular at times but just like in the past under wade and parcells when that unit is on the field to finish a game they have failed more than they have succeeded.

I dont blame the defense for the pats loss at all, but they still contributed by not playing a full complete game. Just like the offense has not.

Detroit the offense put them in a hole that was hard for them to dig out of. New England, well, no matter how good you play the rest of the game, giving Tom Brady the ball in that situation is asking for trouble. Defenses a lot better than ours have failed in that spot.

 

[Theebs]

Detroit the offense put them in a hole that was hard for them to dig out of. New England, well, no matter how good you play the rest of the game, giving Tom Brady the ball in that situation is asking for trouble. Defenses a lot better than ours have failed in that spot.

Yes I am well aware of that. The offense gave detroit back 14 points and losing sensebaugh was a huge blow. But there was still alot of game left to be played, alot of plays to be made. our offense couldnt make them, nor could the defense.

This absolving of the defense for making mistakes and getting beat also does not mean they are not at times not playing well. Its the critical time, the offense nor the defense are very good.

this is nothing new by the way. The defense has been doing this for awhile, since 07 lots of teams scoring right before the half and right at the end of the game, critical times.

I hope it gets better, I hope we win, but honestly i havent seen any reason to believe it will especially with the new injuries we have.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

Yes I agree with that. The stop before we went three and out was the stop to win the game, but it didnt because the head coach bailed on the qb. Now he is telling the defense to go win the game and they couldnt.

and if you step back and look at our three losses you will see the other team, the jets, lions and patriots all asked there defense to go out and get a final stop to win and they did? I dont understand where the difference is. Detroit got numerous stops to win playing their best in the end, the pats got two big stops in the 4th qtr and the jets did also.

there defenses got the stops when the game was close or tied and then ended it with the lead.

when our team starts playing like this on a consistent level then imo, we can blame one person or one unit. For now to me the whole lot of them is unreliable.

Again, so you dont misunderstand, the defense did enough to win sunday and against detroit, but there are times when they have to do a little more....If they need to go on the field and finish a game then that is what they need to do. They dont get paid to make plays, they get payed to make enough plays to win a damn game.

I understand what you're saying.. and you have a point. But saying our defense is unreliable because they are constantly being put in bad positions late in the second half doesn't make them unreliable. I think you just took it too far. They are reliable, and they held two great offenses to 20 points each. Can't do much better than that.

Hell, if we could have gotten a friggin first down at the end of the game there, they'd have held the Pats to 13 points.

There's a reason we're 5th in yards against, but around 20th in points allowed. Constantly put in bad spots by the offense.

 

[Theebs]

I understand what you're saying.. and you have a point. But saying our defense is unreliable because they are constantly being put in bad positions late in the second half doesn't make them unreliable. I think you just took it too far. They are reliable, and they held two great offenses to 20 points each. Can't do much better than that.

Hell, if we could have gotten a friggin first down at the end of the game there, they'd have held the Pats to 13 points.

There's a reason we're 5th in yards against, but around 20th in points allowed. Constantly put in bad spots by the offense.

detroit, new england and the jets drove the length of the field on us in the 4th qtr? thats not a bad spot from the offense. The last detroit posession was a bad spot, inside the 40, the other two drives from lions were long drives, same with the jets and new england.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

detroit, new england and the jets drove the length of the field on us in the 4th qtr? thats not a bad spot from the offense. The last detroit posession was a bad spot, inside the 40, the other two drives from lions were long drives, same with the jets and new england.

Giving Tom Brady the ball with 3 minutes left on the clock and down 3 points.. bad spot.

Having to come back on the field numerous times against the Lions late, and having the last possession be inside the 40.. bad spot.

The Jets game.. Tony fumbles late in the game and then throws a pick that puts the Jets in position for the final game winning FG.. bad spot.

 

[carphalen5150]

All the losses are on the offense. Not even arguable.

 

[Theebs]

ok I give up.

You guys are right, we are an elite team with a killer defense.

We are going to whip new england/baltimore/san diego in the super bowl. I feel bad for them when they come under our wrath.

 

[carphalen5150]

ok I give up.

You guys are right, we are an elite team with a killer defense.

We are going to whip new england/baltimore/san diego in the super bowl. I feel bad for them when they come under our wrath.

Nobody said any of that, but to minimize the play of the defense to pump up an underachieving offense is lame.

 

[Theebs]

Nobody said any of that, but to minimize the play of the defense to pump up an underachieving offense is lame.

I dont know where you are getting this from, I think the offense has been worse clearly and equally as unreliable.

I am not pumping anything up. I think this team looks pretty poor right now with no change in sight for the near future.

 

[NoDak]

What critical mistakes to cost us a game have the defense and/or ST made?

That punt block against the Jets comes to mind...

So does Frank Walker's penalty in the endzone against the Lions.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

That punt block against the Jets comes to mind...

So does Frank Walker's penalty in the endzone against the Lions.

Both were mentioned. I don't think one bad play by the ST makes them "unreliable".

Same with our D.

Its pretty simply that the offense has just played like shit, and not only that, have put our defense in bad spots all season long.

One unit is clearly playing well and making progress week in and week out.. one unit clearly is playing bad.

 

[NoDak]

Yep...to even hint that the defense is a contributing factor to the underwhelming season is stupid.

I agree. But that doesn't condone stupid questions like "What critical mistakes to cost us a game have the defense and/or ST made?"

Granted, the offense is more of the problem right now, but you can't just gloss over other mistakes to try make your point.

 

[carphalen5150]

That punt block against the Jets comes to mind...

So does Frank Walker's penalty in the endzone against the Lions.

Romo's fumble and int against the Jets were far more damaging...along with the 2 pick 6's against Det.

 

[NoDak]

Romo's fumble and int against the Jets were far more damaging...along with the 2 pick 6's against Det.

I'm not disagreeing with you. I was just answering the question put forth.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

I agree. But that doesn't condone stupid questions like "What critical mistakes to cost us a game have the defense and/or ST made?"

Granted, the offense is more of the problem right now, but you can't just gloss over other mistakes to try make your point.

Consider the context of the question, rather than just looking at it by itself.

 

[NoDak]

Consider the context of the question, rather than just looking at it by itself.

You're an idiot.

But please, consider that statement in the context of your posting history, rather than just looking at it by itself.

 

[Idgit]

What critical mistakes to cost us a game have the defense and/or ST made?

Have we already mentioned Newman's blown coverage on CJ in the end zone where he didn't see the ball, and then didn't manage to get his hands between CJs hands, and then committed pass interference? 'Cause that one still chafes.