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Why The 2012 Robert Griffin III Trade That Rocked The NFL Has Been Bad For Everyone
By Tony Manfred | Business Insider – 6 hours ago

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There are lopsided trades, win-win trades, and trades that take years to reveal their true consequences.

And then there are those rare and terrible trades where no one wins.

That's what appears to be happening with the blockbuster Rams-Redskins deal that sent Robert Griffin III to Washington in exchange for a pile of high draft picks before the 2012 draft.

The two teams are a combined 18-21-1 since the trade. They're 1-6 this year.

You can draw a straight line from what's wrong with these teams now to what they sacrificed to make that trade happen.

The Rams need a quarterback.
Yeah, Sam Bradford doesn't have the best skill-position players in the league, but plenty of quarterbacks (Andrew Luck, Tom Brady) succeed despite sub-standard receiving corps.

He's just a deeply mediocre quarterback — a guy who doesn't have the arm to stretch the field or the accuracy to carve up a defense on short passes. Most alarmingly, his completion percentage, interception rate, and yards per attempt haven't improved at all since his rookie season in 2010.

St. Louis thought Bradford was a franchise quarterback. That assumption was the entire basis for trading away the right to pick RGIII in 2012. They were wrong, and now they're stuck.

The Redskins need help everywhere.
Despite making the playoffs last year (more on that in a second), Washington also has problems that can be traced back to that trade.

Washington gave up the following to get RGIII:

•2012 first-round pick: Michael Brockers, DE
•2013 second-round pick: Janoris Jenkins, CB
•2013 first-round pick: Alec Ogletree, LB (via another trade)
•2014 first-round pick: ???
All those guys have shown some degree of promise, and all would start for Washington.

The Redskins have the 32nd-ranked defense in the league. They have problems everywhere. They can't rush the passer, stop the run, tackle, or cover anyone.

When a team is bad at so many different things at once, that's an overall depth problem, which is a direct result of losing so many picks.

When the trade went down, Kevin Meers of the Harvard Sports Analysis Collective wrote a post about how much Washington gave up in this deal. He concluded that RGIII would have to be statistically as good as Tom Brady for them to get equal value for all the picks they gave up.

While RGIII was good last year, he hasn't been Tom Brady good. It's a misconception that he came in and instantly turned the franchise around last year. They made the playoffs, but they started 3-6 and only beat two playoff teams all year.

There's at least an argument that Washington would have been better off using its draft picks to fill all its roster holes and starting Kirk Cousins.

It's too early to tell if the Redskins will be able to rebuild what they tore down to acquire RGIII, or if the Rams will somehow find their quarterback of the future. But there are no winners in this trade right now.
 

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I think a lot has to do with him not being healthy. Plus, he doesn't seem to have the confidence from a year ago. And defenses are figuring out the read option.
 

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St. Louis thought Bradford was a franchise quarterback. That assumption was the entire basis for trading away the right to pick RGIII in 2012. They were wrong, and now they're stuck.

Doubtful this is actually the main reason.

They guaranteed his salary through 2013 and cutting him prior to 2012 would have put $32M in dead money on the books.

Nobody is trading for that and no fucking way you can cut the guy.

The alternative would have been drafting RG3 and letting Bradford ride the bench for 2 years, eating up $27M in cap space and then cutting him and still have to pay another $10M in dead money.

It would have been a horrid waste of resources either way. I think STL did they best they could possibly do for their team. They are rebuilding and that's what you do when you rebuild.

Think of the risk in taking RG3 when you are in the basement looking up. You're betting: a) that the player is worth that pick and isn't a bust, and b) that his play style is sustainable.

The first one is a crap shoot in the draft. The 2nd one is debatable. I don't see why an accurate passer with mobility couldn't succeed on par over the long haul just the same as an accurate passer without mobility.
 

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The one thing the CBA got right was the rookie wage scale

Hell yeah it did.

Think of how fucked the Rams were to be the worst team for the last year of that dog shit pay scale. They should have forced him to hold out a year and reentered the draft. Fuck, beats the hell out of paying that much money.

I wonder how much longer it would have had to go on like that before the #1 overall team intentionally let their clock expire so someone could pick ahead of them.

Consider this. If the Rams would have cut Bradford this year (going into his 4th season), they would have had more dead money on the books than if the Carolina Panthers would have signed Cam Newton and cut him 5 minutes later.
 

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Um, that trade wasn't bad for the Skins. They were without a QB forever and now they have one. Guarantee you Cleveland wishes they'd done that deal.
 

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Um, that trade wasn't bad for the Skins. They were without a QB forever and now they have one. Guarantee you Cleveland wishes they'd done that deal.

Why? He'd probably would have been hurt a lot sooner and more often, with the way they play defense in the AFC North.
 

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Ok, you convinced me, he sucks.

Geez, I know he's a Redskin so we hate him and all, but come on. I guess last year didn't happen? Winning the division after years of futility with guys like Rex Grossman starting?

If we were in that spot I know I'd be happy with it. You can never do anything without a QB, we should know that better than anyone (Leaf/Stoerner/Quincy/Hutch/Vinny/dbair's av).
 

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He's a product of a brilliant system. A system that is slowly being fazed out. Until he proves he can't beat teams as a traditional style QB, he shouldn't be considered anything else.

He looks awful right now
 
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Exactly. Dude can't throw

All the hype on the WKG's and it's the throwers who an run like Russell Wilson and Andre luck who are legit.

The runners who can throw are shaky as hell like kapernick and rg3
 

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Those 5 minute Lebron James commercials for some cell phone company were the worst.
 

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Not RG3's fault people don't understand how hard it is to master the art of traditional NFL QBing (No successful QB hasn't it's the ultimate bottom line) and for some reason they also don't understand why it can't be done by a kid who has only played 20 games in an offense with a playbook. How do people not get something that simple?!
 

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Master it? Nobody is suggesting he needs to have it mastered by now.

There's a pretty big fucking gap between amateur and master.

Wilson, Kaep, even Tannehill have a better grasp of it than RG3 does. All of which have roughly the same amount of game experience.
 

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Master it? Nobody is suggesting he needs to have it mastered by now.

There's a pretty big fucking gap between amateur and master.

Wilson, Kaep, even Tannehill have a better grasp of it than RG3 does. All of which have roughly the same amount of game experience.

I didn't know Wisconsin ran a one or two read spread and Tannehill has his OC from college who didn't run a traditional pro offense but not something as foreign as what RG3 and Kaepernick ran in college. Kaepernick and RG3 are at about the same place right now except Kaepernick has a better offensive line. There have been spurts this year in which RG3 has shows he can manipulate the pocket, go through his read and throw an accurate ball, and if he puts in the mental reps along with the physical reps he should be fine. I've seen QB's come from more complex offensive backgrounds in college and develop much slower, if at all. Also it seems like our geneius coaching staff only has a plan to completely collegify the offense like they did last year or treat him like an 8 year vet.
 
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