The Obama debates

[VA Cowboy]

Didnt you know, the government not taking your money is the exact same as the government giving someone else money. You can't be for one and against the other.

Yeah, I can be for the gov't taking less.

 

[jeebus]

More than offering up another failed stimulus as a viable option.

I don't think stimulus was a a failure, the failure was obamas inability to find a single shovel ready job to help build the economy. Nothing says he doesn't care about the American people and is unqualified more than that. I was fine with the 700 billion, but how about we put in the natural gas infrastructure we will need for the next 30 years? But I guess that is the same a guaranteeing non performing loans to wind farms...

 

[VA Cowboy]

Oh. I guess it's good that I didn't do that then.

A good way to do that would be to give the general public, the largest sector of citizens, more money to purchase things with.

Taking more from earners to give it to non-earners is even more retarded.

 

[VA Cowboy]

I don't think stimulus was a a failure, the failure was obamas inability to find a single shovel ready job to help build the economy. Nothing says he doesn't care about the American people and is unqualified more than that. I was fine with the 700 billion, but how about we put in the natural gas infrastructure we will need for the next 30 years? But I guess that is the same a guaranteeing non performing loans to wind farms...

I definitely wouldn't classify it as a success.

 

[superpunk]

A good way to do that would be to give the general public, the largest sector of citizens, more money to purchase things with.

Taking more from earners to give it to non-earners is even more retarded.

Noone said anything about a stimulus or giving money to non-earners. Do you want to set up more strawmen or would you like to actually address anything?

 

[VA Cowboy]

Noone said anything about a stimulus or giving money to non-earners. Do you want to set up more strawmen or would you like to actually address anything?

Then where is this money coming from that you want to give to the general public "to purchase things with"?

 

[superpunk]

Then where is this money coming from that you want to give to the general public "to purchase things with"?

Lower taxes.

 

[VA Cowboy]

Lower taxes.

So now you are for lowering taxes???

Cool... we agree.

 

[superpunk]

So now you are for lowering taxes???

Cool... we agree.

For most Americans.

 

[VA Cowboy]

For most Americans.

lol

Right, which is what I said before. You want to redistribute wealth by raising taxes on the earners and giving it to others. Retarded.

 

[jeebus]

We need a flat tax, that way we arent sitting here plotting to fvck over the other guy with things we don't want to pay. Under 20k nothing, 20-40 10%, over 40k 20%. No property depreciation, no charity write off. The only thing I would leave is interest is tax deductible. And no capital gains.

 

[jeebus]

I hate this idea that those over 250,000 don't pay enough. What is enough? I would estimate that least 60% of my profit goes to taxes...

So how much do you need to take from me until government has enough to spend on you, SP?

 

[superpunk]

We need a flat tax, that way we arent sitting here plotting to fvck over the other guy with things we don't want to pay. Under 20k nothing, 20-40 10%, over 40k 20%.

That's not a flat tax, that's a progressive tax, which is what we have now. A flat tax rate is a terrible idea. 20% of someone who makes 80k a year means alot more to him than 20% of someone who makes 1 million per year.

 

[superpunk]

You want to redistribute wealth by raising taxes on the earners and giving it to others. Retarded.

No. Thanks for another strawman though.

 

[Sheik]

I got my doubts about sudden dramatic swings in the polls

That was PRE debate. I have a hard time believing it too.

 

[VA Cowboy]

No.

Yes

 

[jeebus]

That's not a flat tax, that's a progressive tax, which is what we have now. A flat tax rate is a terrible idea. 20% of someone who makes 80k a year means alot more to him than 20% of someone who makes 1 million per year.

It was pretty damn flat. I love how people who make 80k deserve their money following orders 40 hours a week. But I actually create on 60+ hours but my money doesn't mean much to me so you get it.

 

[VA Cowboy]

That's not a flat tax, that's a progressive tax, which is what we have now. A flat tax rate is a terrible idea. 20% of someone who makes 80k a year means alot more to him than 20% of someone who makes 1 million per year.

20% is 20%. And 20% of 1 million means those making more are paying more. Simple math.

 

[superpunk]

Yes

Right. You must know what I meant better than me. I say one thing, you turn around and misrepresent it to mean something else.

-VA Cowboy debating 101 (Hostile Undergrad program)

 

[Sheik]

I think we should just start over and give everyone a fair chance.


Put $200k in every single persons bank account and say "go".