The never-ending POTUS Election thread....

[yimyammer]

^^speaking of voter fraud, how does Trump expect to win if he believes the election was rigged when he was in power?

If true, It should be even worse after he's been out.

 

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Steve Bannon Interview with RSBN at Turning Point Action Conference 2023 in West Palm Beach, Florida

 

[Dodger12]

If I gave the impression I thought DeSantis is the guy, let me correct it now. I like Ron DeSantis. He did some really good things in Florida. He is not flamboyant or flashy like Trump but I think he has acted to stop the nonsense with social justice in schools. He also sidelined a few woke DAs. But I don't think he has the personality to lead the party. My point is more that we need a party leader other than Trump who I think is more about Trump than the party. Like all politicians Trump is temporary. He will be 78 in 2024 and even if he wins he has 4 years then he is gone. We need younger leaders who will carry on the America First agenda.

If we do not unify the party and get some strong leadership we are doomed as a party.

And speaking of fraud, if the party would get behind the people who overwhelming believe fraud is real maybe we can do something about it. The rest of the world uses voter ID for example, and most of the world has banned mail-in voting. The arguments are on our side but our party is not willing to speak in one voice because so many don't want to sound like they are agreeing with Trump.

As complacent was we might think Americans are, I do believe everyone has a breaking point and if the fraud continues Americans will reach theirs too.

I'm with you Creeper. As I mentioned before, I thought DeSantis was the future of the party. But his issue is not his personality. His issue is that he folded to the establishment and didn't stand tall. He's a Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell Republican. That's who he hitched his wagon to and that's some pretty bad instincts. The old guard tried to use DeSantis to overcome the America First (Trump) influence on the party and take the party back.

The problem is they (old guard) aren't coming back. Trump's contribution to the party is that he opened people's eyes to the corruption in Washington on both sides. Both sides sell the country and the citizens to foreign influence that will enrich them in the future. They piss tax dollars away while the hard working Americans just keep giving through their tax dollars. Even when we no longer have Trump running for office, America First will live on. And Trump's endorsements will mean a lot until he meets his maker.

The party will be unified once the old guard holdouts are either purged via primaries or fall into place. The new party message is appealing to everyone, regardless of race, color or creed. And there are future leaders of the party like Donalds and even Lake. Compare the Republican candidates looking for the nominations to who the Dems trotted out in 2020.

The only issue with all this is the fraud. I'm certain we'll see a level of fraud in 2024 like we saw in AZ in 2022 and in the general election of 2020. The reason is that the left is desperate to replace Thomas on the SC. If Republicans win in 2024, then Thomas retires and a younger conservative is placed on the court ensuring a conservative influence for a generation. The Dems must avoid this at all costs so they'll go all out fraud in 2024. The only way to possibly avoid this is for Republicans to flood the voter registration rolls and flood the election with mail in ballots and game day voters. The only person that can guarantee this level of enthusiasm and turn out is Trump, whether we like it or not.

 

[Dodger12]

^^speaking of voter fraud, how does Trump expect to win if he believes the election was rigged when he was in power?

If true, It should be even worse after he's been out.

I don't think any Republican candidate can win because of the level of fraud but Trump is the only candidate who can energize the base to vote. He'll attract voters from all demographics which no other Republican can do. If Republicans can flood the rolls with new voters via mail in ballots and day of voting, they have a greater chance.

 

[Creeper]

I'm with you Creeper. As I mentioned before, I thought DeSantis was the future of the party. But his issue is not his personality. His issue is that he folded to the establishment and didn't stand tall. He's a Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell Republican. That's who he hitched his wagon to and that's some pretty bad instincts. The old guard tried to use DeSantis to overcome the America First (Trump) influence on the party and take the party back.

The problem is they (old guard) aren't coming back. Trump's contribution to the party is that he opened people's eyes to the corruption in Washington on both sides. Both sides sell the country and the citizens to foreign influence that will enrich them in the future. They piss tax dollars away while the hard working Americans just keep giving through their tax dollars. Even when we no longer have Trump running for office, America First will live on. And Trump's endorsements will mean a lot until he meets his maker.

The party will be unified once the old guard holdouts are either purged via primaries or fall into place. The new party message is appealing to everyone, regardless of race, color or creed. And there are future leaders of the party like Donalds and even Lake. Compare the Republican candidates looking for the nominations to who the Dems trotted out in 2020.

The only issue with all this is the fraud. I'm certain we'll see a level of fraud in 2024 like we saw in AZ in 2022 and in the general election of 2020. The reason is that the left is desperate to replace Thomas on the SC. If Republicans win in 2024, then Thomas retires and a younger conservative is placed on the court ensuring a conservative influence for a generation. The Dems must avoid this at all costs so they'll go all out fraud in 2024. The only way to possibly avoid this is for Republicans to flood the voter registration rolls and flood the election with mail in ballots and game day voters. The only person that can guarantee this level of enthusiasm and turn out is Trump, whether we like it or not.

Here is where I think we disagree. I think in order for anyone to unite the party they would have to embrace the RINOs and the establishment. Then, after we win, they do what Democrats do. They ignore the fringe elements. A lot of weak Republicans in the past have embraced the conservatives only to abandon them after they win. Many have done that to Trump. We need a conservative to do the opposite. Take their money and once we win ignore them and rule like a conservative.

I have always wondered why we get conservatives who get in office, or justices who get on the supreme court, and then abandon their conservative principles, but we never get liberals or even moderates who get elected, or appointed, and rule like conservatives.

 

[Dodger12]

Here is where I think we disagree. I think in order for anyone to unite the party they would have to embrace the RINOs and the establishment. Then, after we win, they do what Democrats do. They ignore the fringe elements. A lot of weak Republicans in the past have embraced the conservatives only to abandon them after they win. Many have done that to Trump. We need a conservative to do the opposite. Take their money and once we win ignore them and rule like a conservative.

I have always wondered why we get conservatives who get in office, or justices who get on the supreme court, and then abandon their conservative principles, but we never get liberals or even moderates who get elected, or appointed, and rule like conservatives.

I disagree that we have to embrace RINO's. They're being primaried (or just outright quitting) and will be run out of the conservative movement. It may take a while but the base is onto them.

And the reason why "conservatives" flip flop is because they were never true conservatives. These are the very people you'd have us embrace. I want them out. It's too late for some SCOTUS picks but this is what you get when you have recomendations from the RINO wing.

 

[Creeper]

I disagree that we have to embrace RINO's. They're being primaried (or just outright quitting) and will be run out of the conservative movement. It may take a while but the base is onto them.

And the reason why "conservatives" flip flop is because they were never true conservatives. These are the very people you'd have us embrace. I want them out. It's too late for some SCOTUS picks but this is what you get when you have recomendations from the RINO wing.

I just think RINOs will always be part of the equation, just like Democrats have that group of wackos with AOC. I don't like RINOs either and if we could get rid of them I am all in favor or doing it. But realistically there are blue and purple states where only RINOs can win. We just need to minimize them and learn how to corral them and keep them in line.

 

[Creeper]

All the evidence is now indicating the Joe Biden extorted Ukraine to benefit his son's employer, Burisma. Trump was impeached for asking President Zelensky to cooperate with the US AG investigating the potential crimes committed by Hunter Biden and his father. With Biden signing off on arms deal after arms deal with Ukraine, along with billions in financial aid, the question of blackmail has to be considered. Do the Ukrainians have the absolute evidence against Biden and are they holding it over his head to get the weapons and money they need to continue their war with Russia?

https://republicbrief.com/resign-immediately-biden-busted-after-republicans-uncover-leaked-email/

 

[dbair1967]

If Republicans can flood the rolls with new voters via mail in ballots and day of voting, they have a greater chance.

Would like to think this is true, but Trump could get 85 million votes this time and the Tomato/Crack Whore team will miraculously get 86 million. Of course that will be after countless numbers of precincts stop counting votes for hours on end, endless delays in accepting mail in votes and just out and out rigging of voting machines themselves finally produce the number the Dems need.

 

[dbair1967]

Do the Ukrainians have the absolute evidence against Biden and are they holding it over his head to get the weapons and money they need to continue their war with Russia?

Funny how MSM can't figure this out even though its been obvious since almost day one of this fake war.

 

[dbair1967]

I disagree that we have to embrace RINO's. They're being primaried (or just outright quitting) and will be run out of the conservative movement. It may take a while but the base is onto them.

And the reason why "conservatives" flip flop is because they were never true conservatives. These are the very people you'd have us embrace. I want them out. It's too late for some SCOTUS picks but this is what you get when you have recomendations from the RINO wing.

Rinos are definitely as big a problem as the Libtards.

Both need to be run out from DC completely.

 

[Dodger12]

Would like to think this is true, but Trump could get 85 million votes this time and the Tomato/Crack Whore team will miraculously get 86 million. Of course that will be after countless numbers of precincts stop counting votes for hours on end, endless delays in accepting mail in votes and just out and out rigging of voting machines themselves finally produce the number the Dems need.

It's an uphill battle for sure. The one thing I'm starting to see and feel is that the Dems can't repeat the level of fraud with Biden because he's so incompetent. I'd be willing to bet he's out and the only person that coule extend Obama's reign is his wife. It wouldn't suprise me one bit if Michelle Obama was the nominee. It would sooth ruffled feathers with Kamala Harris and give the left an instant excuse for the high level of fraud we're bound to see.

 

[dbair1967]

It's an uphill battle for sure. The one thing I'm starting to see and feel is that the Dems can't repeat the level of fraud with Biden because he's so incompetent. I'd be willing to bet he's out and the only person that coule extend Obama's reign is his wife. It wouldn't suprise me one bit if Michelle Obama was the nominee. It would sooth ruffled feathers with Kamala Harris and give the left an instant excuse for the high level of fraud we're bound to see.

"Big Mike" as Pres....yuck

 

[Dodger12]

So Charlie Kirk just posted a snippet on Truth but I can't link it......in any event, he was discussing Ron DeSantis with a guest (Rich Baris). They were besides themselves that DeSantis skipped the recent Turning Point USA conference in FLORIDA......that's right, Florida. They are basically stating what I've been saying that DeSantis sold out to the donor class RINO's of the party. We don't need Republicans like that and I liked DeSantis before he showed his ass.

 

[dbair1967]

The only issue with all this is the fraud. I'm certain we'll see a level of fraud in 2024 like we saw in AZ in 2022 and in the general election of 2020. The reason is that the left is desperate to replace Thomas on the SC. If Republicans win in 2024, then Thomas retires and a younger conservative is placed on the court ensuring a conservative influence for a generation. The Dems must avoid this at all costs so they'll go all out fraud in 2024.

Two words- Pelican Brief

 

[Creeper]

It's an uphill battle for sure. The one thing I'm starting to see and feel is that the Dems can't repeat the level of fraud with Biden because he's so incompetent. I'd be willing to bet he's out and the only person that coule extend Obama's reign is his wife. It wouldn't suprise me one bit if Michelle Obama was the nominee. It would sooth ruffled feathers with Kamala Harris and give the left an instant excuse for the high level of fraud we're bound to see.

They have no fear of getting caught no matter how much they cheat and break the rules. The media covers for them and will continue to do so. Even if the election results are so out of whack it is obvious there is cheating the media will once again roll out their outrage over "wild conspiracy theories". They will claim there is no proof while at the same time use propaganda to smear any attempts to look for proof. It is not that hard. If the secret service can't find who left cocaine in the White House and most of the media doesn't question it, then surely authorities can pretend they looked for voter fraud and didn't find any.

And the courts will help Democrats too like they did in 2020. They will deny motions to examine votes and cause delays until the December certification date is passed. Once the results are certified, there is nothing that can be done legally to contest the election. And this is the problem. We only have a month to prove fraud and that is not enough time to investigate while litigating every allegation while Democrats file motions to oppose.

If there is fraud again, what do we do about it? If people believe 2020 was stolen and they believe 2024 will be stolen too, then why aren't we already out in the streets?

I have said it before and I will say it again, if there is a 2nd revolution and the Patriots win, our first obligation is to round up the left wing media and hang them for their opposition to the people.

 

[Dodger12]

If there is fraud again, what do we do about it? If people believe 2020 was stolen and they believe 2024 will be stolen too, then why aren't we already out in the streets?

J6 took care of that and those people were used as deterents from protesting the election or the governement. I mean....they're going to indict Trump again for J6. It's in your face and out in the open. The left are radicals.....

 

[dbair1967]

This is what extreme Marxism looks like.

It really is going to come down to another 1776 at some point, and it's going to be extremely ugly, bloody and dangerous for this country.

Conservatives, legal experts erupt over Trump claim he is Jan. 6 grand jury target: 'Makes no sense'

Conservatives on social media lashed out against the DOJ after former President Trump announced he received a letter saying he is the target of the January 6th investigation.

www.foxnews.com

 

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IRS Whistleblower Gary Shapley: “Assistant US attorney Lesley Wolf cited the optics of executing a search warrant at President Biden’s residence as a deciding factor for not allowing it, even though she agreed that probable cause existed”

 

[Creeper]

J6 took care of that and those people were used as deterents from protesting the election or the governement. I mean....they're going to indict Trump again for J6. It's in your face and out in the open. The left are radicals.....

If we do nothing we deserve what happens to us.