The never-ending POTUS Election thread....

[Creeper]

Mad respect Creeper but this really makes no sense. Trump has gotten a larger percentage of the black and Hispanic vote than any other Republican. The story line prior to the election was if he got X percent of the black vote, he'd win. He did that and still lost. You can't overcome the fraud. You're assuming that people would come out to vote against Trump if he ran but stay home for DeSantis or another Republican. That's what the left, the RINO's and the MSM want you/us to believe so they can justify the results and the level of fraud.

I respect you too, and for the record, I like Trump and voted for him twice. I will vote for him again if he is nominated even though he has no chance of winning in my state. But this race will not be about me and you. Trump's support among Republicans now is about 70%, more than enough to win the nomination. But he was at 85% or better in 2020. On top of that his negatives are around 56%. And the irrational hatred of Trump, demonstrated by the insane investigations and indictments, are the result of the utter contempt for the man. It is wrong, but it is the reality we face.

I understand the fraud argument, but if fraud is the concern then we have already lost. What the Republican party needs is a leader everyone can get behind. Someone who can unite the party, claim a strategy to nullify fraud or at least minimize it, and entice the independents. I think by using the left wing lunacy around gender and grooming, Republicans have be given a great opportunity to peel votes away from Democrats by appealing to parents and people who dislike the insanity of the left. But instead, the Rs are fighting with each other and it is sickening.

Maybe the best candidate is neither Trump or DeSantis.

btw, I do not think Biden is going to run. I think the Democrats are planning a bait and switch. Biden will drop out or be forced out and Gavin Newsom with step in to replace him.

 

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[dbair1967]

I respect you too, and for the record, I like Trump and voted for him twice. I will vote for him again if he is nominated even though he has no chance of winning in my state. But this race will not be about me and you. Trump's support among Republicans now is about 70%, more than enough to win the nomination. But he was at 85% or better in 2020. On top of that his negatives are around 56%. And the irrational hatred of Trump, demonstrated by the insane investigations and indictments, are the result of the utter contempt for the man. It is wrong, but it is the reality we face.

I understand the fraud argument, but if fraud is the concern then we have already lost. What the Republican party needs is a leader everyone can get behind. Someone who can unite the party, claim a strategy to nullify fraud or at least minimize it, and entice the independents. I think by using the left wing lunacy around gender and grooming, Republicans have be given a great opportunity to peel votes away from Democrats by appealing to parents and people who dislike the insanity of the left. But instead, the Rs are fighting with each other and it is sickening.

Maybe the best candidate is neither Trump or DeSantis.

btw, I do not think Biden is going to run. I think the Democrats are planning a bait and switch. Biden will drop out or be forced out and Gavin Newsom with step in to replace him.

There is no ideal or "best" candidate for us because there is going to be mass cheating by the Dems and swamp turds of DC.

The mistake was letting them get away with it and trying to "pretend" it didnt happen, when there was literally shit loads of evidence to the contrary. Libtards have spent countless man hours and millions and million of dollars chasing bullshit on Trump for 6+ years, and literally want to spend ZERO time or effort on voter fraud, even though there is CLEARLY evidence of substantial wrongdoing and anomalies.

There's also nobody that the Rino Swamp Turds in DC can agree to get behind, because what the vast majority of true conservatives and Republicans want is a candidate that puts the COUNTRY and our citizens first, and also wants to REDUCE the size, scope and influence of the federal government. This is something the swamp CANNOT allow at all costs, even if means joining Democrats to fuck over the Republican candidate.

 

[Dodger12]

I respect you too, and for the record, I like Trump and voted for him twice. I will vote for him again if he is nominated even though he has no chance of winning in my state. But this race will not be about me and you. Trump's support among Republicans now is about 70%, more than enough to win the nomination. But he was at 85% or better in 2020. On top of that his negatives are around 56%. And the irrational hatred of Trump, demonstrated by the insane investigations and indictments, are the result of the utter contempt for the man. It is wrong, but it is the reality we face.

I understand the fraud argument, but if fraud is the concern then we have already lost. What the Republican party needs is a leader everyone can get behind. Someone who can unite the party, claim a strategy to nullify fraud or at least minimize it, and entice the independents. I think by using the left wing lunacy around gender and grooming, Republicans have be given a great opportunity to peel votes away from Democrats by appealing to parents and people who dislike the insanity of the left. But instead, the Rs are fighting with each other and it is sickening.

Maybe the best candidate is neither Trump or DeSantis.

btw, I do not think Biden is going to run. I think the Democrats are planning a bait and switch. Biden will drop out or be forced out and Gavin Newsom with step in to replace him.

There's nothing in your post that I disagree with and I'll refer to the bolded part. We have already lost. Some folks just don't know it yet. Everything else is fluff. The idea of attracting the independents is fluff. There isn't a candidate out there that can "unify" the party and there never will be (again). The Dems are unified in their ideology while we talk about mean Tweets. If conservatives and independents can't unify around the idea of America First, lower taxes, lower gas prices, anti-grooming, smaller governement and a strong foreign policy where our tax dollars aren't pissed away on green new deals and endless wars, then I don't know what to say.

Trump has transformed the Republican party. He energizes people to vote. And people view him as a fighter. DeSantis thought he was going to be the nominee by proxy when Trump got indicted and he sat on the sidelines. That's his biggest sin. My friends and I were excited about DeSantis until he sat on the sidelines when conservatives needed a leader to stand against tyranny and weaponized government. RINO's like Paul Ryan were saying Trump wouldn't be the nominee.......as Dem and RINO forces banded together to knock the man out of the race. DeSantis thought that Trump would fold under the investigations and he'd just fill the void. He didn't think he had to earn my vote. His advisors failed him, as did his instincts. He's toast. He's finished, even for 2028 and that's too bad. His only strategy was to sit back, let the left attack Trump and just step in and take over the nomination.

More than half of Republicans think the election was rigged and even a surprising number of Dems that haven't gone hard core left and have half a brain. The government is trying to silence any dissent by targeting and jailing their opponents. These are dangerous times and we may not be able to overcome the fraud, but someone has to keep it on the radar. The only people doing that right now are Trump and Lake.

If DeSantis wins the nomination, I'll vote for him. But it will only be because he's running on a conservative ticket, not because I think he's the leader of the party or will follow though on his promises. But I would still consider other candidates and I would have never said that a few short months ago.

 

[Dodger12]

There is no ideal or "best" candidate for us because there is going to be mass cheating by the Dems and swamp turds of DC.

The mistake was letting them get away with it and trying to "pretend" it didnt happen, when there was literally shit loads of evidence to the contrary. Libtards have spent countless man hours and millions and million of dollars chasing bullshit on Trump for 6+ years, and literally want to spend ZERO time or effort on voter fraud, even though there is CLEARLY evidence of substantial wrongdoing and anomalies.

There's also nobody that the Rino Swamp Turds in DC can agree to get behind, because what the vast majority of true conservatives and Republicans want is a candidate that puts the COUNTRY and our citizens first, and also wants to REDUCE the size, scope and influence of the federal government. This is something the swamp CANNOT allow at all costs, even if means joining Democrats to fuck over the Republican candidate.

Spot on. Decent and normal people can't out think crooks. We're not wired that way. They'll sabotage voting machines and printers like they did in Arizona and know there will be no repercussions. They don't even hide their fraud. We just can't overcome that level of treachery and they'll just think of something else in 2024. Make no mistake about it.....2020 was a silent coup and these treasonous fucks will do anything to stay in power.

 

[dbair1967]

This would seem to apply to the general population about how they think about the voter fraud/stolen election scheme:

“It's Easier to Fool People Than It Is to Convince Them That They Have Been Fooled.” – Mark Twain.

Edit: and the whole Covid sham too

 

[dbair1967]

This is the absolute epitome of a totalitarian regime that will stop at nothing to protect themselves at all costs.

This is so completely absurd. Imagine if Trump or other conservatives made any of these type of maneuvers when they were in office. And this happens over and over and over with Biden and this crooked administration.

Biden DOJ Announces Charges Against Gal Luft, Whistleblower In Biden/China Influence-Peddling Scheme

Of course. Of course they did. Is anyone even surprised at this point? A whistleblower recently came forward to testify against the Biden family about their […]

chicksonright.com

Just consider the appearance of this whole thing. Gal Luft is allegedly blowing the whistle on Biden family crimes and literally days later, Biden’s own Department of Justice files charges against him. What does that look like to you? Because to me, it looks like the DOJ is being weaponized to intimidate people who dare to speak up against the Biden crime family.

 

[dbair1967]

Now Comrade Biden and his leftist DOJ are saying the above guy is a Chinese spy.

Totally believable right? The Chinese government using one of their agents to help get a criminal case and potential impeachment (and jail time) against the US President who has done more to help the Chinese government than any in our country's history.

 

[Dodger12]

This is what I'm talking about Creeper. Whoever is advising this guy needs to be fired. He's not the leader of the party and he's toast. He's already lost the base.

DeSantis Catches Heat After He 'Declined' to Speak at Turning Point Action

Ron DeSantis reportedly declined to speak at Turning Point Action (TPA) this weekend, a move that has conservatives perplexed.

www.breitbart.com

 

[Dodger12]

DeSantis isn't campaigning. He's waiting in the wings for Jack Smith and his goon squad, along with a weaponized DoJ, to do his dirty work. That's not leadership and he's turning out to be an establishment RINO.

 

[dbair1967]

DeSantis isn't campaigning. He's waiting in the wings for Jack Smith and his goon squad, along with a weaponized DoJ, to do his dirty work. That's not leadership and he's turning out to be an establishment RINO.

I wouldn't lap him in with the likes of McConnell, Romney or Paul Ryan. He's been a great governor in Florida and has probably the best run state in the country. He's been a pretty diehard conservative down there.

I really wish he and Trump could have come to some sort of agreement before the primary season started though, we didnt need this type of internal battle going on between the two best candidates. I don't think DeSantis ever really wanted to be a VP, but if he had waited in the wings until 2028 to run for Pres that probably would have been best.

Ultimately Trump should have just left DeSantis alone. Attacking him and his record (especially on Covid) were big mistakes IMO.

 

[dbair1967]

Another shocker.

Secret Service declines to honor records request for White House cocaine docs

The White House has largely declined to address the matter in public, prompting further scrutiny and indeed speculation that the culprit may have been someone of importance. The Secret Service has not publicly identified any suspects as of press time.

justthenews.com

 

[Dodger12]

I wouldn't lap him in with the likes of McConnell, Romney or Paul Ryan. He's been a great governor in Florida and has probably the best run state in the country. He's been a pretty diehard conservative down there.

Who exactly do you think is supporting him? Paul Ryan's Fox News has been endlessly pimping him. He's an establishment Republican.

And it's hard to be critical of Trump attacking him when Trump leads the field by a wide margin. But Trump attacking him is not what hurt him. He committed political suicide sitting on the sidelines when he could have taken a leadership role against the Dems. But he thought he could cruise to the nomination and he was wrong.

 

[Dodger12]

I really wish he and Trump could have come to some sort of agreement before the primary season started though, we didnt need this type of internal battle going on between the two best candidates. I don't think DeSantis ever really wanted to be a VP, but if he had waited in the wings until 2028 to run for Pres that probably would have been best.

I liked DeSantis and thought as you do. Until he sat on the sidelines when conservatives needed a leader and a fighter. He was reactionary and it hurt him. And the only reason he's #2 is because of a relatively weak field of Republicans who are looking for cabinet seats. The guy to look out for is Byron Donalds. He's smart and he's spoken out against the tyranny and supported Trump through the attacks from the weaponized DoJ. Wouldn't shock me at all if he was Trump's running mate and he'd be a great pick and an instant front runner for 2028. DeSantis is done.

 

[dbair1967]

And it's hard to be critical of Trump attacking him when Trump leads the field by a wide margin. But Trump attacking him is not what hurt him. He committed political suicide sitting on the sidelines when he could have taken a leadership role against the Dems. But he thought he could cruise to the nomination and he was wrong.

He was already leading the field by a wide margin though.

Like I said the attacks on him were unnecessary IMO and somewhat hypocritical, especially the Covid garbage. I don't blame Trump for the mistakes he obviously made during the Sham-demic, he was listening to so called "experts" that he thought had the country's best interests in mind. But in the end almost everything Trump did with Covid was wrong.

But hopefully Trump learned some lessons from his first go around. There are people he surrounded himself with before that were horrendous. He's gonna be the nominee and he'll have my 100% support and vote.

 

[dbair1967]

The guy to look out for is Byron Donaldson. He's smart and he's spoken out against the tyranny and supported Trump through the attacks from the weaponized DoJ. Wouldn't shock me at all if he was Trump's running mate and he'd be a great pick and an instant front runner for 2028. DeSantis is done.

Absolutely love Donalds, agree he has a huge future in the party.

 

[dbair1967]

The Tomato strikes again

https://therightscoop.com/embarrassing-the-teleprompter-gets-the-best-of-biden-again-in-lithuania/

 

[dbair1967]

On same day The Tomato butchers a teleprompter speech (again) the crack whore gives us another word salad.

There's never been a more embarrassingly pathetic administration in the history of of our country...none even comes close.

Kamala Harris Explains AI: "AI is Kind of a Fancy Thing. First of All, It's Two Letters. It Means 'Artifical Intelligence'" (VIDEO) | The Gateway Pundit | by Cristina Laila

Kamala Harris explained AI during a meeting with civil rights leaders on Wednesday.

www.thegatewaypundit.com

 

[Creeper]

This is what I'm talking about Creeper. Whoever is advising this guy needs to be fired. He's not the leader of the party and he's toast. He's already lost the base.

DeSantis Catches Heat After He 'Declined' to Speak at Turning Point Action

Ron DeSantis reportedly declined to speak at Turning Point Action (TPA) this weekend, a move that has conservatives perplexed.

www.breitbart.com

If I gave the impression I thought DeSantis is the guy, let me correct it now. I like Ron DeSantis. He did some really good things in Florida. He is not flamboyant or flashy like Trump but I think he has acted to stop the nonsense with social justice in schools. He also sidelined a few woke DAs. But I don't think he has the personality to lead the party. My point is more that we need a party leader other than Trump who I think is more about Trump than the party. Like all politicians Trump is temporary. He will be 78 in 2024 and even if he wins he has 4 years then he is gone. We need younger leaders who will carry on the America First agenda.

If we do not unify the party and get some strong leadership we are doomed as a party.

And speaking of fraud, if the party would get behind the people who overwhelming believe fraud is real maybe we can do something about it. The rest of the world uses voter ID for example, and most of the world has banned mail-in voting. The arguments are on our side but our party is not willing to speak in one voice because so many don't want to sound like they are agreeing with Trump.

As complacent was we might think Americans are, I do believe everyone has a breaking point and if the fraud continues Americans will reach theirs too.