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My bad
I got the wrong left wing big tech company
It was actually Facebook that was banning anyone that was supporting “stop the steal” and not Twitter
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My bad
I got the wrong left wing big tech company
It was actually Facebook that was banning anyone that was supporting “stop the steal” and not Twitter
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you can if you get off the internet and talk to people face to face, I've been doing it and it works because people cant hide behind their keyboard and if you dont attack people but calmly ask them to explain their position, not have an angry, attacking and argumentative tone then we discover that we're not that far apart.
There does seem to be a deep seeded attachment that is internal coming from me and seemingly everyone else.
For me, I have a deep seeded disdain for the worst the Democratic Party represents (free everything, bigger government, demonization of the so called rich, etc) and while I used to believe the Republicans represented smaller government, I no longer believe that, I'm not a fan of the religious wing tying themselves to the Republicans and I've experienced first hand the Republicans pulling some shady over-reaching garbage as it relates to online poker and gambling (I don't need the gov to protect me from myself)
So, if both sides can be honest then the only reasonable conclusion I believe can be drawn is that this 2 party system has let us down tremendously and neither side is worthy of absolute devotion or angst.
We all need to quit talking over the internet and practice speaking face to face, there's something about the anonymity of the internet that brings out the crazy in everyone.
Probably need to get rid of social media altogether too, I'm not sure its a net positive anymore
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It's gone beyond that. It's literally "other side is evil and we're good." The Star Wars mentality.
Batshit crazy leaves good intentions a possibility. That's gone.
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The relative anonymity keeps the validity of ideas out of the narrative. One side can't win the war of ideas and now control most all platforms so there you have it.
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They haven’t secured their new servers yet. They expected to be down 12 hours
But then stated that it may take longer to work out the details with their new host
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I'm not following you amigo, can you elaborate for the slow on the uptick like me please sir?
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I would like to believe that we can still sit down face to face and have a civil discussion
Maybe it’s because I live in Los Angeles and so close to the batshit crazy hard core left wing juggernaut that is Hollywood, but the only way you can have a civil discussion out here is if they think you are on “their team”
The second they find out you don’t worship at their temple they shut down and get hostile or just plain dismissive of anything that doesn’t fall in line with their beliefs.
Plus you can’t have a real discussion when the other side doesn’t deal in facts
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Have you ever tried to sit down one on one with someone you felt was "bat shit crazy" over coffee and just tried a calm, friendly conversation where you work as hard to listen and keep an open mind versus wishing they'd shut up so you can start preaching your views?
Its not easy, requires patience, empathy and a willingness to listen as mush as talk but I find when I actively listen, ask questions about their views and what the purpose of that view is, they tend to lack an answer or realize they cant logically hold the view they do.
Take border control for example, I've had people start with a generic rant about the wall so I ask them if they want completely open borders where anyone can come in without restraint?
no one has ever said they want this so I ask how do you propose we control our borders and we inevitably conclude we need border control and in some places walls may be needed but its probably more realistic to have a multi-pronged approach of walls, tech, people, etc and even then it wont be 100% effective
Then I try to emphasize we're all suckers in that both parties have got us at each others throats dividing us for their benefit while keeping us oblivious to the nonsense going on in DC when in reality we should all be in solidarity storming DC and demanded radical change across the board, like term limits (sorry I disagree with you Dooms, if we have a spirit of serving the country and then going back to work, there will be a steady supply of qualified candidates, there's nothing that hard about politics and Washington imo except navigating whatever obstacles and nonsense these two parties have put in the way plus the ability to talk out of your ass)
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I have tried
But I have little patience for circular arguments, baseless claims, arguments devoid of facts and the spouting of CNN headlines as the only talking points.
Most ppl aren’t opposed to conservatives as a whole, they just hate Trump (but can’t actually give you a reason why. If you ask them, they will tell you he’s a racist, ask them why he’s a racist and they will wonder why you are questioning a universal truth, but never be able to give you an actual example of Trump being a racist. Right MrB? The one and only thing anyone ever comes up with as to why they hate Trump is because he said “grab em by the pussy”) and they despise anyone who doesn’t condemn Trump like they do. God forbid you actually support and or voted for him. Then you are just considered a one toof hillbilly racist piece of shit who’s opinions hold zero value.
I’m happy to have a conversation with anyone
But when you refuse to use facts and/or logic that is when I get frustrated
MrB was a perfect example of this
A quote from Ricky Gervais typically comes to mind
“Just because you are offended, doesn’t mean you’re right”
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Store owner puts up sign telling Biden supporters to keep out of his store
He even made the sign orange!
Chicago-area business bans Biden voters with 'stay out' sign
A business owner in a Chicago suburb placed a sign in his shop’s window last week telling people who voted for Joe Biden to “stay out.” Shaun Thompson,americanmilitarynews.com
Lol they just need to say nothing and just come in and buy stuff and lie if they ask. Lol
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Sorry for the extremely long post. But it’s worth the read
It comes from Mike Rowe and it’s a response to a post he received from an unhappy fan after posting a photo of himself holding up a glass of bourbon with the toast/caption “well, that was fun. Here’s to 2022” after the Capitol protests.
(If you are not familiar with Mike Rowe he was the host of the tv show dirty jobs and does the voice over commentary on the Deadliest Catch among other things, but has since turned into an internet sage who puts out some well thought out commentary and thought provoking posts about the world, and times that we live in)
Louis Warfield writes...
Is this what you have to say about today? Is this what you say to Americans? Is this how you dismiss an insurrection? Is this what you think of the death of an ignorant mislead woman who left children behind because of lies and deceit by Trump? Is this what you say when a sitting president encourages people to march on the Capitol with his insanity? I used to really admire you, I used to want to be like you, hell I used to want to be you...Now? I can't even look at you.
Louis Warfield
Hi there, Louis.
First of all, Happy New Year, and congratulations on not becoming me. Doing so would have forced you into a body you can’t bear to look at, and that, my friend, is no way to go through life! Secondly, no - my last post was not a “Message to America.” It was just a bit of world-weary sarcasm I shared with six million friends who follow this page - friends who, like me, were no doubt hoping the new year would usher in a kinder, gentler age. Obviously, our optimism was premature, so I shared an ironic acknowledgment of the undeniable fact that 2020 was still with us. Since then, I’ve been struggling to get my head around what’s happening in our country, but since you asked, these are my current thoughts, six days in.
In short, I was nauseated by what I saw on Wednesday. Nauseated, in the same way I was last summer, when I watched another group of anarchists try to burn down a federal courthouse with government workers still inside. Not since then, have I felt such a sadness for my country. My sympathies to the family of Brian Sicknick, the officer who died in the attack, along with the other cops who were injured in the riot. Condolences too, to the family of the woman who was shot, and the families of all the others who died on that day. So much senseless and completely avoidable death.
To state the obvious, Louis, I think President Trump was wrong to wait so long to react to the chaos. I can’t excuse what he said or justify the time it took him to condemn the individuals who entered the Capitol illegally. The whole thing was irresponsible. No less obvious, is the critical distinction that must be made between those who marched to the Capitol, and those who broke into it. The overwhelming majority of Americans who rallied in DC didn’t break the law. Neither did the overwhelming majority of Americans who marched in the wake of George Floyd’s death. There’s a bright line between a protest and a riot, and I strongly disagree with those who have attempted to blur that line, then and now. As for the future, I think it’s wishful thinking to assume that our country will come together when Donald Trump is no longer president. The morning after he leaves office, whenever that may be, millions of Americans will wake up believing our country is systemically racist. Millions of others will wake up believing we can no longer hold a free and fair election. This is the essential problem, Louis, because a house divided, as you may recall, cannot stand.
The way forward is difficult, and hugely complicated by a crisis of credibility. Lots of worried Americans, including many who don’t support Trump, have lost their faith in the institutions we rely on to tell us the truth - most notably, the mainstream media. This has been the case for some time, but now it feels different. Now, the patina of fake news has covered everything with a sheen of doubt and suspicion. Politics, science, law, medicine, academia…experts from every discipline are subject to new levels of skepticism, in part, because those experts hold forth on platforms that are no longer credible to half the country.
How many friends do you have who dismiss anything they hear on FOX, simply because it’s on FOX? Likewise, CNN? I have many. That’s why we can’t blame millions of Americans for dismissing the academic studies that contradict their belief that racism in law enforcement is systemic; they simply don’t trust the studies. Nor can we blame millions of other Americans for dismissing the findings of multiple courts who say the election wasn’t fraudulent; they simply don’t trust the courts. This level of mistrust is the real enemy, and I’m afraid it’s about to get a lot worse.
According to the exit polls I read, a lot of Americans who voted for Biden weren’t voting for the Democratic agenda; they were simply voting against Trump. Likewise, a lot of Trump voters had grave concerns about the President, but voted for him anyway, because they had graver concerns about the policies that Pelosi and Schumer have been promising to enact. I’m not saying Trump doesn’t have a lot of ardent supporters. Clearly, he does. I’m just saying that a divided republic is a lot safer with a divided government. The deeper the divide, the more important the balance of power. Well, we now have the deepest divide since 1860, and one party is about to hold all the cards. In other words, the Democrats have a lot of power, but nothing close to a mandate from a significant majority. That’s worrisome, because Biden will be under incredible pressure from his own base to enact a lot of very controversial policies, because “elections have consequences.” But that old chestnut won’t go over well with millions of Americans, especially those who believe the election was fundamentally unjust. And as we saw over the summer, when people believe something is fundamentally unjust, the wheels come off the bus pretty quick.
Complicating matters even further, is a new level of censorship in our country unlike anything I’ve ever witnessed. As we all know, the President has been banned from Facebook and Twitter. Kind of amazing, but if that’s all there was to it, I imagine that many Americans would shrug and say, “Oh well, he had it coming.” But banning Trump seems to have opened the floodgates. Simon & Schuster just cancelled a book deal with Josh Hawley, a conservative senator. The reasons appear to be purely political. The editor of Forbes has just “warned” companies not to hire Trump supporters. Other big corporations have followed suit. And now, two conservative social platforms, Parler and Rumble, have been dropped by Apple and Amazon.
This is extraordinary. Parler had 20 million members yesterday. Today, those people learned they can no longer talk to each other on their platform of choice. Whatever else these actions might accomplish, they're absolutely going to reinforce the perception among millions of Americans that Big Tech and the mainstream media are now in lockstep with the new administration - not only to silence Trump, but to silence them. And that, as my grandmother used to say, will go over like a fart in church.
I don’t have the answers, Louis, nor do I have a crystal ball. But I can promise you that banishing people from platforms, or banishing platforms from people, or deliberately cutting off the way millions of people communicate is not the way forward. What we need in a divided country, is more communication, not less. And if we can’t talk to each other, how can we ever hope to come together? Consider your own post, and your own trenchant questions. I could have easily deleted them. They were kinda nasty, after all, and on this page, I have the option to delete comments I don’t like. I never do that though, (porn notwithstanding,) because silencing people who don’t like me isn’t productive. Nor is it effective. Nor is it interesting.
That’s why I responded to you, Louis, and that’s why I’m worried – sincerely and genuinely worried – that trying to silence millions of Americans at such a tumultuous time is going to have some consequences that are both serious, and unintended. That’s why I’m choosing my words carefully, doubling down on the bourbon, while once again wishing you and yours, a very happy, 2022.
Good luck,
Mike
It comes from Mike Rowe and it’s a response to a post he received from an unhappy fan after posting a photo of himself holding up a glass of bourbon with the toast/caption “well, that was fun. Here’s to 2022” after the Capitol protests.
(If you are not familiar with Mike Rowe he was the host of the tv show dirty jobs and does the voice over commentary on the Deadliest Catch among other things, but has since turned into an internet sage who puts out some well thought out commentary and thought provoking posts about the world, and times that we live in)
Louis Warfield writes...
Is this what you have to say about today? Is this what you say to Americans? Is this how you dismiss an insurrection? Is this what you think of the death of an ignorant mislead woman who left children behind because of lies and deceit by Trump? Is this what you say when a sitting president encourages people to march on the Capitol with his insanity? I used to really admire you, I used to want to be like you, hell I used to want to be you...Now? I can't even look at you.
Louis Warfield
Hi there, Louis.
First of all, Happy New Year, and congratulations on not becoming me. Doing so would have forced you into a body you can’t bear to look at, and that, my friend, is no way to go through life! Secondly, no - my last post was not a “Message to America.” It was just a bit of world-weary sarcasm I shared with six million friends who follow this page - friends who, like me, were no doubt hoping the new year would usher in a kinder, gentler age. Obviously, our optimism was premature, so I shared an ironic acknowledgment of the undeniable fact that 2020 was still with us. Since then, I’ve been struggling to get my head around what’s happening in our country, but since you asked, these are my current thoughts, six days in.
In short, I was nauseated by what I saw on Wednesday. Nauseated, in the same way I was last summer, when I watched another group of anarchists try to burn down a federal courthouse with government workers still inside. Not since then, have I felt such a sadness for my country. My sympathies to the family of Brian Sicknick, the officer who died in the attack, along with the other cops who were injured in the riot. Condolences too, to the family of the woman who was shot, and the families of all the others who died on that day. So much senseless and completely avoidable death.
To state the obvious, Louis, I think President Trump was wrong to wait so long to react to the chaos. I can’t excuse what he said or justify the time it took him to condemn the individuals who entered the Capitol illegally. The whole thing was irresponsible. No less obvious, is the critical distinction that must be made between those who marched to the Capitol, and those who broke into it. The overwhelming majority of Americans who rallied in DC didn’t break the law. Neither did the overwhelming majority of Americans who marched in the wake of George Floyd’s death. There’s a bright line between a protest and a riot, and I strongly disagree with those who have attempted to blur that line, then and now. As for the future, I think it’s wishful thinking to assume that our country will come together when Donald Trump is no longer president. The morning after he leaves office, whenever that may be, millions of Americans will wake up believing our country is systemically racist. Millions of others will wake up believing we can no longer hold a free and fair election. This is the essential problem, Louis, because a house divided, as you may recall, cannot stand.
The way forward is difficult, and hugely complicated by a crisis of credibility. Lots of worried Americans, including many who don’t support Trump, have lost their faith in the institutions we rely on to tell us the truth - most notably, the mainstream media. This has been the case for some time, but now it feels different. Now, the patina of fake news has covered everything with a sheen of doubt and suspicion. Politics, science, law, medicine, academia…experts from every discipline are subject to new levels of skepticism, in part, because those experts hold forth on platforms that are no longer credible to half the country.
How many friends do you have who dismiss anything they hear on FOX, simply because it’s on FOX? Likewise, CNN? I have many. That’s why we can’t blame millions of Americans for dismissing the academic studies that contradict their belief that racism in law enforcement is systemic; they simply don’t trust the studies. Nor can we blame millions of other Americans for dismissing the findings of multiple courts who say the election wasn’t fraudulent; they simply don’t trust the courts. This level of mistrust is the real enemy, and I’m afraid it’s about to get a lot worse.
According to the exit polls I read, a lot of Americans who voted for Biden weren’t voting for the Democratic agenda; they were simply voting against Trump. Likewise, a lot of Trump voters had grave concerns about the President, but voted for him anyway, because they had graver concerns about the policies that Pelosi and Schumer have been promising to enact. I’m not saying Trump doesn’t have a lot of ardent supporters. Clearly, he does. I’m just saying that a divided republic is a lot safer with a divided government. The deeper the divide, the more important the balance of power. Well, we now have the deepest divide since 1860, and one party is about to hold all the cards. In other words, the Democrats have a lot of power, but nothing close to a mandate from a significant majority. That’s worrisome, because Biden will be under incredible pressure from his own base to enact a lot of very controversial policies, because “elections have consequences.” But that old chestnut won’t go over well with millions of Americans, especially those who believe the election was fundamentally unjust. And as we saw over the summer, when people believe something is fundamentally unjust, the wheels come off the bus pretty quick.
Complicating matters even further, is a new level of censorship in our country unlike anything I’ve ever witnessed. As we all know, the President has been banned from Facebook and Twitter. Kind of amazing, but if that’s all there was to it, I imagine that many Americans would shrug and say, “Oh well, he had it coming.” But banning Trump seems to have opened the floodgates. Simon & Schuster just cancelled a book deal with Josh Hawley, a conservative senator. The reasons appear to be purely political. The editor of Forbes has just “warned” companies not to hire Trump supporters. Other big corporations have followed suit. And now, two conservative social platforms, Parler and Rumble, have been dropped by Apple and Amazon.
This is extraordinary. Parler had 20 million members yesterday. Today, those people learned they can no longer talk to each other on their platform of choice. Whatever else these actions might accomplish, they're absolutely going to reinforce the perception among millions of Americans that Big Tech and the mainstream media are now in lockstep with the new administration - not only to silence Trump, but to silence them. And that, as my grandmother used to say, will go over like a fart in church.
I don’t have the answers, Louis, nor do I have a crystal ball. But I can promise you that banishing people from platforms, or banishing platforms from people, or deliberately cutting off the way millions of people communicate is not the way forward. What we need in a divided country, is more communication, not less. And if we can’t talk to each other, how can we ever hope to come together? Consider your own post, and your own trenchant questions. I could have easily deleted them. They were kinda nasty, after all, and on this page, I have the option to delete comments I don’t like. I never do that though, (porn notwithstanding,) because silencing people who don’t like me isn’t productive. Nor is it effective. Nor is it interesting.
That’s why I responded to you, Louis, and that’s why I’m worried – sincerely and genuinely worried – that trying to silence millions of Americans at such a tumultuous time is going to have some consequences that are both serious, and unintended. That’s why I’m choosing my words carefully, doubling down on the bourbon, while once again wishing you and yours, a very happy, 2022.
Good luck,
Mike
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I don’t know why your posts still surprise me, but they do.
They always make me either smile, chuckle to myself, or both
Thank you for that
Never change IK
And I mean that
Sincerely
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Interesting, illegal and criminal. Twitter has probably stopped people from deleting their account to stop the slide of their stock price. So when they present their numbers in their quarterly report, they can downplay how many folks left Twitter but those numbers will have been artificially created and influenced by Twitter. When they report the numbers to their share holders, it will be a false report which is criminal. Of course, no one will investigate it or fine Twitter.
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The site was hosted on Amazon servers (AWS). Amazon cut them off. They are working to get the site restored according to Dan Bongino who is part owner of the site. I know they filed a lawsuit against Amazon. I am not sure if they are working to get the courts to order Amazon to restore their services or working to find another server.
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Also, about Stephen Crowder, when Youtube started pulling their bullshit with him he started something called the "Mug Club". People would join the "Mug Club" and thus contribute to his show and receive a mug. He was later bought out by the Blaze which is owned by Glenn Beck. He quit putting out much on Youtube once he was on the Blaze. Every once in a while he will put out something on Youtube. Now to see his show you have to join the Blaze. I should add I am assuming he is still on the Blaze. I do not subscribe to the Blaze so I cannot verify he is still with them.
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Yep. Fully expect the other commy social media sites to start employing the same strategy.
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thats good, I've had the same conversations
the Trump is a racist thing is a trip, my girlfriend says that and I show her the video of CHris Wallace asking Trump if he'll disavow white supremacy, David Duke, etc in 2016 and again in 2020 during the debates and then she says he's lying to which I ask incredulously then whats the point of asking!?!?!?!?!? and then she inevitably trails off and allude to the fact she just doesnt like him because of things like "grab her by the pussy".
It would be funny if it wasn't so widespread and cultish
love the RG quote too