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Before Bill Belichick led the New England Patriots to four Super Bowl victories, he spent five seasons as head coach in Cleveland. The Browns were a combined 36-44 in the regular season and 1-1 in the playoffs during that time.

Cowboys executive vice president Stephen Jones recently referenced the early part of Belichick's career while answering a question about Jason Garrett.

In five and a half seasons as the Cowboys head coach, Garrett has compiled a 45-43 regular season record and a 1-1 postseason mark.

"First of all, I think Jason is one of the up and coming coaches in this league. We're fortunate to have him," Jones said Friday morning on CBS Sports Radio's Tiki and Tierney Show. "I think obviously Jason went through some growing pains. If you look at some of the great coaches in this league, I mean, Belichick's first stop was not necessarily what we think of when you think of Bill Belichick.

"[Garrett] has all the skillsets, it's just a matter of getting seasoned and I think he's at that point. ... I do think he's turning into a great football coach. I just think he's come so far. I think it's all in front of him and he's only going to get better."

Here are a few other highlights from Jones' radio interview.

On the multiple suspensions on defense:

"I think at the end of the day, we're willing to take risks as an organization. (Charles Haley, Michael Irvin and Dez Bryant were mentioned) ... When you take some risks, you're going to have some things that bite you. I think last year, if you take the disappointing season we had and then you've got some guys who may get into gray areas, then it bites a little bit harder.

"But when you're in our business, you're dealing with human beings. I wouldn't necessarily say these guys are bad guys. These guys have sicknesses. We have infrastructure in place. Sometimes it's a longer journey than you suspect, and certainly that's what happened with a couple of our defenders here. Then of course with Greg Hardy we just made the decision that it just wasn't going to work out here.

"It's certainly fair. It's certainly a valid criticism. It's certainly one we'll continue to evaluate and see how we can do a better job going forward of having more successes than we do disappointments, but we stand by our guys and we'll continue to work with them and see if they can overcome some of these demons that they have and go on to be successful players in this league. If they don't, then obviously we'll have to move on from them."

On last year's 4-12 finish:

"We just, organizationally, failed. Not only the players, but more than that, our coaches, our management, Jerry and myself. We did not show the right leadership there. Going forward, we need to focus who's playing in the game, not who's injured, not who's suspended, not who's around and then design game plans, design ways to win a football game to those skills and those talents. We just 100 percent failed in that area.

"I know Jason has been the first to raise his hand with his staff. I know Jerry and I raise our hand in terms of the leadership we should've provided. We were too worried about when Tony might come back. When Dez is going to finally work his way into form. When we're going to get this player back. 'Boy, it would've been nice to have [Lance] Dunbar.' We can't have those types of distractions.

"We got to focus on who's here, who's on the field, who's playing the game and then go from there. We've won games in the past without Troy Aikman and gone onto the playoffs. We've won games without Tony. We had [Jon] Kitna and he had a great run, got us into the playoffs, then Tony came back. We just didn't have that mentality last year. We've got to improve on that."

On not winning a Super Bowl since 1995:

"In all seriousness, there is a real urgency. Obviously you talk about a guy like Coach Garrett, every day is urgent to him. He's the hardest worker in the building. Then you go to Tony, who I think is obviously in the prime of his career, but he doesn't have forever when you go past that 35-year mark. Of course Jerry is so intense and it obviously bleeds down to myself and the rest of the organization in terms of the urgency that we have right now.

"There's never been urgency like there is right now in terms of our football team. We really feel great that we put a really solid football team together. Are we strong in every area? No, we're not. We understand our pass rush needs some help, but we've got a great coach there that I think will get the most out of our players. But we also have some areas where I think we're one of the strongest teams in the league. ... So we feel good about this team. We think if things fall right we can certainly challenge for a Super Bowl. Obviously that's our end goal."

Take that haters! They obviously believe they can get blood from a turnip and we can all just STFU!

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I mean, Belichick's first stop was not necessarily what we think of when you think of Bill Belichick.

So in following the example, maybe you should fire him so he can go onto his next, obviously successful stop.
 
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First off, regarding Belichicks stint with the Browns, you have to understand he had an owner hell bent on moving and was not giving a head coach half of the support/resources that JG gets here.

Secondly, the Browns didn't have an All-Pro QB. Romo is ten times the quarterback that Vinny Testeverde was. Not even close.

Finally, Belichick took over a much worse team, turned it around in shorter time, and coached Cleveland - the dumpster fire of all NFL franchises for decades - to their last divisional title.


And lets not even get into how Belichick came up through the ranks, was a coach his entire career, was one of the most impressive coordinators in the NFL, and his game plan to defeat the Bills in the Super Bowl is in the Hall of Fame. He was an innovator. Thought to put more defensive backs on the field against the Lions to stop Barry Sanders when no one else could figure out how - and even Parcells scoffed at the notion.

There is no comparison to Belichick and to even suggest there is is an insult to Belichick.


I can't tell if this is Stephen trying to prop his coach up and say the right things, or if he really believes this. But if he truly believes this, then he's just as stupid as his father and this franchise is doomed. They're all in for rude awakenings.
 

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So in following the example, maybe you should fire him so he can go onto his next, obviously successful stop.

But then we wont reap the rewards and end up just like the Browns. :rofl
 
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Stephen said:
We've won games without Tony. We had [Jon] Kitna and he had a great run, got us into the playoffs, then Tony came back. We just didn't have that mentality last year. We've got to improve on that."

When was this?
 

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First off, regarding Belichicks stint with the Browns, you have to understand he had an owner hell bent on moving and was not giving a head coach half of the support/resources that JG gets here.

Secondly, the Browns didn't have an All-Pro QB. Romo is ten times the quarterback that Vinny Testeverde was. Not even close.

Finally, Belichick took over a much worse team, turned it around in shorter time, and coached Cleveland - the dumpster fire of all NFL franchises for decades - to their last divisional title.


And lets not even get into how Belichick came up through the ranks, was a coach his entire career, was one of the most impressive coordinators in the NFL, and his game plan to defeat the Bills in the Super Bowl is in the Hall of Fame. He was an innovator. Thought to put more defensive backs on the field against the Lions to stop Barry Sanders when no one else could figure out how - and even Parcells scoffed at the notion.

There is no comparison to Belichick and to even suggest there is is an insult to Belichick.


I can't tell if this is Stephen trying to prop his coach up and say the right things, or if he really believes this. But if he truly believes this, then he's just as stupid as his father and this franchise is doomed. They're all in for rude awakenings.

Yep. These Belichick and Landry comparisons are ridiculous. What has Garrett shown in any phase of the game to indicate he will ever have any success?
 
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Yep. These Belichick and Landry comparisons are ridiculous. What has Garrett shown in any phase of the game to indicate he will ever have any success?

Whenever I think of Garrett, the first thing that comes to mind is his retarded intense clapping at Brandon Weeden on fourth down late in a game we had no shot at winning. Such a pathetic chicken soup for the soul head coach with his corn ball ass training camp slogans and motivational speeches. "That's not why we came here!"

Fuck off guy, really.
 

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So in following the example, maybe you should fire him so he can go onto his next, obviously successful stop.

Oh no, thats not how jeri rolls.

He always thinks his players are gonna break out at any minute so until its smashed into his dumb face that they cant play, he'll hold on to the bitter end, never receiving any compensation in return if they had the wisdom to cut bait when the league still saw value.

If vegas could somehow take the bet, I'd wager jeri is afraid of letting go of Jason because he believes Jason is about to "break out" so he can't let some other team reap the rewards of all the on the job training jeri has given him
 
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If you're a Garrett fan - and I realize most on this forum are smart enough not to be... but if you were, what could you possibly point to that would give any indication that the guy is even a quality head coach, let alone destined to be a "great" one.
 

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Whenever I think of Garrett, the first thing that comes to mind is his retarded intense clapping at Brandon Weeden on fourth down late in a game we had no shot at winning. Such a pathetic chicken soup for the soul head coach with his corn ball ass training camp slogans and motivational speeches. "That's not why we came here!"

Fuck off guy, really.

Clap spit clap clap spit clap spit clap clap clap spit
 

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If you're a Garrett fan - and I realize most on this forum are smart enough not to be... but if you were, what could you possibly point to that would give any indication that the guy is even a quality head coach, let alone destined to be a "great" one.

There isnt one thing
 

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If you're a Garrett fan - and I realize most on this forum are smart enough not to be... but if you were, what could you possibly point to that would give any indication that the guy is even a quality head coach, let alone destined to be a "great" one.

prior to seeing him coach, I was optimistic about his pedigree of his father being a coach & scout, he was a player in the NFL, been in the NFL as a player or coach since 93' (ish), appears to be intelligent, student of the game, despite being cliche says many things I think are important.

What I didn't realize is that he is WOEFULLY lacking in the experience department. He hasn't been in the trenches for years with his ass on the line, working at grunt jobs in order to earn his way up the coaching tree until he finally gets his shot at the big time. He doesn't have the well of experience to pull from when faced with the high stress decisions NFL coaches face and no amount of talking to other coaches can make up for what he lacks.

I also didn't realize how ridiculously conservative he is and I think its based on fear. His fear is born from lack of knowledge/experience which produces confidence.

Add the fact that jeri renders him powerless and there is nothing for the players to fear when it comes to Jason and I think a healthy fear is a good thing when it comes to many of life's endeavors.

PS.. I also thought he could work with jeri which is a monstrous obstacle for any coach to overcome here
 

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If you're a Garrett fan - and I realize most on this forum are smart enough not to be... but if you were, what could you possibly point to that would give any indication that the guy is even a quality head coach, let alone destined to be a "great" one.

Look at the quote from Stephen, it's packed with meaning..

"[Garrett] has all the skillsets, it's just a matter of getting seasoned and I think he's at that point. ... I do think he's turning into a great football coach. I just think he's come so far. I think it's all in front of him and he's only going to get better."

1. Jones is basically admitting that all of this time has been wasted on a coach who wasn't even ready to coach.

2. "I think he's at that point". What?!?! You are guessing that all of the failures are leading to him being ready to finally win? The team is worse now than it has been in years. If one offensive player disabled an entire team, that is a bad coach.

3. "Only get better"? The team was in a position for 3 division titles and Garrett's decisions to pass the ball, have no game plan, have no trick plays or desperation clever schemes like a Coach K would do to win an NCAA game , cost Dallas those games. The Green Bay playoff game went from 2014 in the first half to the pass panic 2012 stupidity.

4. The fact that Stephen is bringing up any and all of this shows me that they are concerned. He has listed quite a few traits of a "coach" who was not ready to coach and still might not be. Stephen cannot be that blind. Jerry maybe but not Stephen.
 

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prior to seeing him coach, I was optimistic about his pedigree of his father being a coach & scout, he was a player in the NFL, been in the NFL as a player or coach since 93' (ish), appears to be intelligent, student of the game, despite being cliche says many things I think are important.

I think you are overrating the experience factor for him. With his background and lifetime around football its unfathomable that he would make some of the bonehead gaffes that he has. A lifetime in football and a person just doesnt make some of the gaffes he has. If he didnt have it by then he isnt going to get it. His BS ability helped him get where he is. But his BS ability wont keep him where he is. Only winning will keep him as a HC. Even Jerry will have to acknowledge it eventually.
 

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I think you are overrating the experience factor for him. With his background and lifetime around football its unfathomable that he would make some of the bonehead gaffes that he has. A lifetime in football and a person just doesnt make some of the gaffes he has. If he didnt have it by then he isnt going to get it. His BS ability helped him get where he is. But his BS ability wont keep him where he is. Only winning will keep him as a HC. Even Jerry will have to acknowledge it eventually.

I was:

prior to seeing him coach, I was optimistic

I'm not any longer, I'm back to hoping hoping three blind squirrels find a nut
 

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I was:



I'm not any longer, I'm back to hoping hoping three blind squirrels find a nut

It seemed to be a good move by Jerry, especially after the team turnaround after he booted Wade. But it didnt take long to realize it was just another Jerry hire like Campo, Gailey or Wade. Except in this case, probably even worse than those 3.
 
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I was big on the JG bandwagon years ago. Anchored by the turnaround after Wade was fired and I bought into the home grown idea. He looked and mostly sounded the part.

But he exposed himself as being in way over his head long ago and I've grown to detest him. Especially his smug personality full of cliches, mindless clapping, and that obnoxious smile.
 
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If Campo didn't have that one mind boggling dumb decision again Denver on Thanksgiving, I'd say Garrett was easily worse. As is, id say there basically on the same level.
 
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