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iceberg
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when do they "quit"? now they want to limit ammo sales.
any why the hulla-balloo about "assault rifles"? cause they look mean? in 2010 hands and fists killed more people than rifles of ANY kind. so they're going after the least used rifle in crimes simply cause it "looks" military. then to confuse it, they go after the rounds in the mag. then this, then that, then "military style" to further muddy up what they can control.
i'm against the random nature of the control from politicians who don't have a clue on what they are talking about. (see D-Colorado bitch who said once you use a 30 round mag, it's gone and can't be used again).
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Wanna stop shit like Newtown?
Fix the people.
Don't seek a return to morality,seek to discover it.
Wrong is right,right is wrong today in America.
60% of the world's psychiatric drugs are consumed here in the US.
Some people cannot compete at higher levels,so we lower the bar via affirmative action.
Public education system in shambles.
Truth has become "hate".
And you still think a background check will fix it?
Why won't Americans listen to those who came here from Cuba or Eastern Block of the USSR?
Watch this vid from Yuri Bezmenov from 1985,a former KGB agent.
Listen to him:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3quYsDByX3g
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I'm with you on this ice. Registration is a major issue but this really wasn't a national registry. I do think they need to do away with nfa rules for items like SBR's and Suppressors. Do away with those and go for a better background check. Most importantly they need to enforce the current fucking laws. Severely punish anyone who commits a crime with a weapon
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Yeah, cannot believe it got turned down. If you don't have anything to hide why worry about a background check?
I don't see the big deal.
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That 90% is complete bullshit. I'm not saying there's not a majority but certainly not 90%. Smoke is being blown up your ass.
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Background checks are fine, but they don't take seven days. Criminals are still perfectly capable of acquiring guns -- outlawing any practice only creates a black market for it (see: Drugs, War on) -- but if a background check makes you sleep better at night, go for it. I don't see it as a restriction or an infringement.
I'm opposed to a national registry for *pretty much* anything.
I'm opposed to a national registry for *pretty much* anything.
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this is about control.
not about guns. not about obama. not about bush.
the guns they are after are high profile. they're in the video games. they're in the movies. yet somehow, they've not found their way into the crimes of our times.
who needs a 30 round mag?
granted. an honest question. an honest question in return is how many crimes are committed with 30 round mag?
the honest answer to that is staggering low. so what *is* the problem?
guns in effect are no more than tools. each bullet you see, each advancement you notice, just a way to enhance said tool. but any tool can be used for good, or bad. it's the way it's used that seems to get attention, good or bad.
extensive background checks. please, what idiot thinks that was the only thing on the line here. bills are laces with so many personal agendas the entire trick is to get people to see the flashing light. not the means behind the story. is that that only thing that was defeated today? no. what else was on that bill?
if you're not asking that you're not being honest about the true problems we as a country face.
should i register my guns? well that's a different issue but it's lobbed onto banning weapons no one uses in crimes.
should i be placed on a list if i buy common bullets?
it's gone far past a compromise and straight into giving up. they're not after banning fully automatic weapons. that was more or less done long ago. yet, still brought on stage as needed. obama himself said fully automatic weapons were used at sandy hook and this is a bold faced lie.
then he calls the NRA willfull liars.
this isn't R against D this is about finding common ground. now. not letting lies be ok for your side cause it defeats the other. a lie is a lie. period. only used when you can't face the truth.
of course the NRA protects a viewpoint. that's what viewpoints do. we seem to be living in a time where extremes are driving, not common sense. but i also see common sense making a comeback. it's not about fighting for the extremes but figuring out the in-between. the extremes are always wrong. that's what makes them extreme.
we, the people, (forgive my dramatics) lost sight of that. we're worried about gay rights, rounds in a mag and all the things "our government" is floating up to take our attention away from real issues.
are "assault rifles" used in real crimes? not that i've seen. so why the focus? potential? why not deal with reality and let potential be what it is when it happens. if you say cause you wanna prevent, why do you ignore the huge #'s and focus on the minority?
cause our government made it something for us to talk about.
i won't deny we can do better at education. but that stands not only for guns, but science. history.
life.
but it's not a hot topic we can debate with extreme notions, now is it?
when the government needs to know what i own, and why i own it - i question that government. there are extremes to be sure. but they don't need to be made up.
just understood.
not about guns. not about obama. not about bush.
the guns they are after are high profile. they're in the video games. they're in the movies. yet somehow, they've not found their way into the crimes of our times.
who needs a 30 round mag?
granted. an honest question. an honest question in return is how many crimes are committed with 30 round mag?
the honest answer to that is staggering low. so what *is* the problem?
guns in effect are no more than tools. each bullet you see, each advancement you notice, just a way to enhance said tool. but any tool can be used for good, or bad. it's the way it's used that seems to get attention, good or bad.
extensive background checks. please, what idiot thinks that was the only thing on the line here. bills are laces with so many personal agendas the entire trick is to get people to see the flashing light. not the means behind the story. is that that only thing that was defeated today? no. what else was on that bill?
if you're not asking that you're not being honest about the true problems we as a country face.
should i register my guns? well that's a different issue but it's lobbed onto banning weapons no one uses in crimes.
should i be placed on a list if i buy common bullets?
it's gone far past a compromise and straight into giving up. they're not after banning fully automatic weapons. that was more or less done long ago. yet, still brought on stage as needed. obama himself said fully automatic weapons were used at sandy hook and this is a bold faced lie.
then he calls the NRA willfull liars.
this isn't R against D this is about finding common ground. now. not letting lies be ok for your side cause it defeats the other. a lie is a lie. period. only used when you can't face the truth.
of course the NRA protects a viewpoint. that's what viewpoints do. we seem to be living in a time where extremes are driving, not common sense. but i also see common sense making a comeback. it's not about fighting for the extremes but figuring out the in-between. the extremes are always wrong. that's what makes them extreme.
we, the people, (forgive my dramatics) lost sight of that. we're worried about gay rights, rounds in a mag and all the things "our government" is floating up to take our attention away from real issues.
are "assault rifles" used in real crimes? not that i've seen. so why the focus? potential? why not deal with reality and let potential be what it is when it happens. if you say cause you wanna prevent, why do you ignore the huge #'s and focus on the minority?
cause our government made it something for us to talk about.
i won't deny we can do better at education. but that stands not only for guns, but science. history.
life.
but it's not a hot topic we can debate with extreme notions, now is it?
when the government needs to know what i own, and why i own it - i question that government. there are extremes to be sure. but they don't need to be made up.
just understood.
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Get off your fucking high horse. I said I wasn't sure of where the numbers came from, but all of the articles I've seen are saying a poll was conducted and 80-90% of Americans support expanded background checks. I didn't conduct the poll and I don't know what was in this bill, as I stated.
But I'm sure you know all of the specifics. GFY.
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I actually can see your point and that was well written
For me personally. I own 2 handguns that are registered with the state and my county. I am required to complete an 8 hour firearms course once a year.
It also took an 6-8 month initial investigation and background check for me to get the license.
I have no problem with that and don't really see how making that mandatory could hurt the situation
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I was unsure of the details of the amendment, so I did a little hunting. It claims to make a national registry illegal, a claim often repeated by media and politicians but Title 1 of the bill focuses on getting states to report all their available records to the NICS database by withholding federal funding for those states that do not comply. Thus effectively creating a registry unless I am misunderstanding something.
Summary of Title II: This section of the bill requires background checks for sales at gun shows and online while securing certain aspects of 2nd Amendment rights for law abiding citizens.
- Closes the gun show and other loopholes while exempting temporary transfers and transfers between family members.
- Fixes interstate travel laws for sportsmen who transport their firearms across state lines in a responsible manner. The term “transport” includes staying in temporary lodging overnight, stopping for food, buying fuel, vehicle maintenance, and medical treatment.
- Protects sellers from lawsuits if the weapon cleared through the expanded background checks and is subsequently used in a crime. This is the same treatment gun dealers receive now.
- Allows dealers to complete transactions at gun shows that take place in a state for which they are not a resident.
- Requires that if a background check at a gun show does not result in a definitive response from NICS within 48 hours, the sale may proceed. After four years, when the NICS improvements are completed, the background check would clear in 24 hours. Current law is three business days.
- Requires the FBI to give priority to finalizing background checks at gun shows over checks at store front dealerships.
- Authorizes use of a state concealed carry permit instead of a background check when purchasing a firearm from a dealer.
- Permits interstate handgun sales from dealers.
- Allows active military to buy firearms in their home states.
- Family transfers and some private sales (friends, neighbors, other individuals) are exempt from background checks
Title 3 of the bill creates a commission to study the causes of mass violence in the U.S. The commission will consist of 12 experts — 6 appointed by the House, 6 appointed by the Senate — and they will examine gun ownership, school safety, mental health, and violent media or video games.
http://www.guns.com/2013/04/10/sena...-background-checks-its-not-gun-control-video/
Summary of Title II: This section of the bill requires background checks for sales at gun shows and online while securing certain aspects of 2nd Amendment rights for law abiding citizens.
- Closes the gun show and other loopholes while exempting temporary transfers and transfers between family members.
- Fixes interstate travel laws for sportsmen who transport their firearms across state lines in a responsible manner. The term “transport” includes staying in temporary lodging overnight, stopping for food, buying fuel, vehicle maintenance, and medical treatment.
- Protects sellers from lawsuits if the weapon cleared through the expanded background checks and is subsequently used in a crime. This is the same treatment gun dealers receive now.
- Allows dealers to complete transactions at gun shows that take place in a state for which they are not a resident.
- Requires that if a background check at a gun show does not result in a definitive response from NICS within 48 hours, the sale may proceed. After four years, when the NICS improvements are completed, the background check would clear in 24 hours. Current law is three business days.
- Requires the FBI to give priority to finalizing background checks at gun shows over checks at store front dealerships.
- Authorizes use of a state concealed carry permit instead of a background check when purchasing a firearm from a dealer.
- Permits interstate handgun sales from dealers.
- Allows active military to buy firearms in their home states.
- Family transfers and some private sales (friends, neighbors, other individuals) are exempt from background checks
Title 3 of the bill creates a commission to study the causes of mass violence in the U.S. The commission will consist of 12 experts — 6 appointed by the House, 6 appointed by the Senate — and they will examine gun ownership, school safety, mental health, and violent media or video games.
http://www.guns.com/2013/04/10/sena...-background-checks-its-not-gun-control-video/
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The government could take your guns and then you couldn't fight the Chinese when they invade?
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No thanks. I like my high horse.
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Ohhhhhhhh shit!!!!!!! I feel stupid already.
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It's sort of like how progressives lament the lost days of Eisenhower and his "moderate" GOP while castigating the modern GOP and the hardline stances it takes on issues such as amnesty. Meanwhile, these same progressives seem to forget that it was under Eisenhower's watch that we had Operation Wetback, in which Mexican Americans were rounded up by force and deported to Mexico.
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