RG3 doesn’t want anyone telling him “how to play this game”

[LAZARUS_LOGAN]

There's something off in the body language of the whole team. The roster obviously isn't a superbowl roster but they're still underachieving and it doesn't look like they're responding to the HC. David Shaw has ties to Bruce Allen, just sayin.

Actually, last year they overachieved. Big time.

 

[LAZARUS_LOGAN]

RG3 is much better than Vick in terms of passing. It's really not even close. Vick is dogshit, has a dogshit mentality and really only cares about 'good ole #1'.

How so? You just pissed about Vick because he held dog fights, hence the dogshit.

People like to say he'll be fucked because he CAN run. I don't buy that bullshit. He can pass as well. He's having a down year compared to last year but he's smart enough to be able to learn from it.

If his mobility went to shit, I'd still peg him as a good QB 2-3 years from now because he's intelligent and he can throw the ball.

Interesting as to how all these read-option QBs just so happen to be having "down" years all at the same time, after they took the league by storm just all last year. Yeah, I'm sure that's it.

 

[UVAwahoos]

"Less Dumb"?

The guy's pretty fucking smart. At least by academic standards.

I still think he has a bright future ahead of him which sucks for Dallas. Imagine 5 years from now when Dallas has Chad Hutchinson playing QB and they can't even put up 17 points per week.

Guess it's not hard to imagine.......aside from the Denver and STL game, that's pretty much where this Garrett/Callahan Auto play calling machine has been.

RG3 is much better than Vick in terms of passing. It's really not even close. Vick is dogshit, has a dogshit mentality and really only cares about 'good ole #1'.

People like to say he'll be fucked because he CAN run. I don't buy that bullshit. He can pass as well. He's having a down year compared to last year but he's smart enough to be able to learn from it.

If his mobility went to shit, I'd still peg him as a good QB 2-3 years from now because he's intelligent and he can throw the ball.

I don't doubt for a second that Dallas is headed back to irrelevance the moment romo is gone, but that alone doesn't qualify Griffin as some force who will emerge in the division. There are plenty of cases like Josh Freeman's for instance where a young QB has an excellent season for whatever reason and then is never heard from again. Griffin's bread and butter was to take advantage of a last place schedule with help from a strong running game in Morris and the option play. Now, defenses have taken both away. As Collinsworth said on Sunday night, he has shown no ability to progress through his reads as a pocket passer.

Can he learn that? Maybe. Regardless, he's certainly not nfl cerebral quite yet. Also, Luck vs RG3 is as laughable as Durant vs Oden now.

 

[BangersandMash]

Actually, last year they overachieved. Big time.

I don't disagree with that, but not by a lot. 8-8 would have been fair last year, so a double digit in the L column this year would be an underachievement worthy of being kiffined.

 

[BangersandMash]

How so? You just pissed about Vick because he held dog fights, hence the dogshit.





Interesting as to how all these read-option QBs just so happen to be having "down" years all at the same time, after they took the league by storm just all last year. Yeah, I'm sure that's it.

Things like pocket presence and the mental processes required to throw from the pocket in the NFL effectively take numerous seasons to learn. The fact that he can't do that now after his offense in college didn't have a playbook doesn't tell us much in either direction. I've watched every snap this year and there have been instances in every game where he's shown the ability to do that even when there was pressure (the pass to Paulsen that he ended up fumbling against the Raiders is a perfect example) but it's hit and miss right now which is about where it should be.

Let's put it this way, if you have an outside WR, a slot and a tight all lined up on the strong side. The outside guy runs a deep post, the slot guy runs about an 8 yard out route, the tight end runs a shallow cross and RG3 has a few seconds to throw it's his fault if he can't find anyone. If, on a night you know your O-line can't pass protect, you have 3-4 receivers and they ALL run routes that are either straight up vertical go routes or routes that stem at 15-20 yards or beyond, that's the coaches putting a player in position to fail and both these scenarios happened Sunday night. I can live with the former RIGHT NOW because of his lack of experience in anything that even resembles a pro offense, but if the latter keeps happening you can all breathe a sigh of relief. There are other ways to flatten the learning curve of a QB with RG3's experience in a pro offense than making him a running back, and it doesn't look like the Shannahans thought of one.

 

[LAZARUS_LOGAN]

I don't doubt for a second that Dallas is headed back to irrelevance the moment romo is gone, but that alone doesn't qualify Griffin as some force who will emerge in the division. There are plenty of cases like Josh Freeman's for instance where a young QB has an excellent season for whatever reason and then is never heard from again. Griffin's bread and butter was to take advantage of a last place schedule with help from a strong running game in Morris and the option play. Now, defenses have taken both away. As Collinsworth said on Sunday night, he has shown no ability to progress through his reads as a pocket passer.

Can he learn that? Maybe. Regardless, he's certainly not nfl cerebral quite yet. Also, Luck vs RG3 is as laughable as Durant vs Oden now.

It could be argued that Morris's success was thwe result of Robert. They did some stats that showed how Morriss's production went down, when Robert was not playing, in fact his ypc. was almost half.

 

[LAZARUS_LOGAN]

I don't disagree with that, but not by a lot. 8-8 would have been fair last year, so a double digit in the L column this year would be an underachievement worthy of being kiffined.

You had a last place schedule last year. That helped out. And a surprise new system. Not sure how you are trying to take a shot at Kiffin.

 

[LAZARUS_LOGAN]

Things like pocket presence and the mental processes required to throw from the pocket in the NFL effectively take numerous seasons to learn. The fact that he can't do that now after his offense in college didn't have a playbook doesn't tell us much in either direction. I've watched every snap this year and there have been instances in every game where he's shown the ability to do that even when there was pressure (the pass to Paulsen that he ended up fumbling against the Raiders is a perfect example) but it's hit and miss right now which is about where it should be.

Let's put it this way, if you have an outside WR, a slot and a tight all lined up on the strong side. The outside guy runs a deep post, the slot guy runs about an 8 yard out route, the tight end runs a shallow cross and RG3 has a few seconds to throw it's his fault if he can't find anyone. If, on a night you know your O-line can't pass protect, you have 3-4 receivers and they ALL run routes that are either straight up vertical go routes or routes that stem at 15-20 yards or beyond, that's the coaches putting a player in position to fail and both these scenarios happened Sunday night. I can live with the former RIGHT NOW because of his lack of experience in anything that even resembles a pro offense, but if the latter keeps happening you can all breathe a sigh of relief. There are other ways to flatten the learning curve of a QB with RG3's experience in a pro offense than making him a running back, and it doesn't look like the Shannahans thought of one.

Evidently you all didn't think it was a problem last year, and believed that you would carry it forward to this year with more experience, and be better for it. Now we have all the excuses.

 

[Midswat]

Bangers.... you're too sensible.

Can't you troll just a little bit to make it fun?

 

[Rock Slamdance]

Hey guyz Redskins! sucks!

Slurrrrrssssss!

I could never support a racist team.

 

[BangersandMash]

You had a last place schedule last year. That helped out. And a surprise new system. Not sure how you are trying to take a shot at Kiffin.

I was referring to Lane Kiffin

 

[BangersandMash]

Evidently you all didn't think it was a problem last year, and believed that you would carry it forward to this year with more experience, and be better for it. Now we have all the excuses.

Who's you all? Do you think Extremeskins sent me here to spread propaganda? Last year I said the offense masked some of the difficiencies I always expected him to have because of the discrepencies between his football background and what's required to run a pro offense. Now that the zone read has lost its effect they need to find other ways to help him out and they aren't. I never said the zone read was a permanent solution I'm well aware of what's lacking his game but a lot of what's lacking could come with a lot of study and a lot of reps.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

He's made some awful decisions, but almost every QB with his limited experience needs his coaches to help him out. Call more shorter routes, flare out a running back or a tight end, give him shallow dig routes or some quicker hitting in routes, do something other than sending every receiver out on a vertical route. Let's be honest though, I'm reading Shakespear to a 6 year old here. You're going to respond with some more giberish babble because you'd be out of your league talking actual football with me. Go educate yourself before I give you anymore undeserved responses.

This is a Shakespearean take on football?

 

[marionbarberthe4th]

So this ****** ****** obviously draws flags by skipping inbounds then flopping. Then he talks about how smart he is for doing that

I'm so glad he's fucking useless now. What a crash back down to earth. That didn't take long.