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Nah, I'm pretty sure the players wanted over 50%.

They did. As a starting point. They ended up settling for less of a share than they've had in 10 years.

Yet this complete moron is talking about how they've won.

It's like having your pay cut at work and going out celebrating the "promotion".
 
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This is why I wish the owners would just sit tight and watch these POS fold up shop and come crawling back at any deal they can get.

They have no power. They own nothing. What they do can be done by somebody else. They are not the league.
 
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This article is old but it clearly shows the players were getting more revenue between 2006-2009.

So with this new CBA the players are getting less.

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NFL players got 53 percent of incremental increase
By HOWARD FENDRICH, AP Pro Football Writer
Mar 21, 6:01 pm EDT


Figures obtained by The Associated Press underscore the substantial divide between the NFL and the locked-out players on a core issue: What portion of additional revenue goes to players.

Players’ share of incremental increases to all revenues under the NFL’s expired contract was about 53 percent from 2006-09, according to calculations by the accounting firm that audited the collective bargaining agreement for both sides.

The NFL has repeatedly said that 70 percent of extra revenue went to players, a main justification for changing the sport’s economic system. The league’s numbers remove the portion of revenues—about $1 billion a year— taken off the top for owners to spend on expenses.

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Data prepared in 2010 by PricewaterhouseCoopers and obtained Monday by the AP show that about $3.8 billion of the $7.2 billion in incremental revenue over those four years—52.9 percent—went toward players’ salaries and benefits.

The league and players agree on the $3.8 billion; they disagree on how to look at revenues. Setting aside the off-the-top expense credits—for things such as stadium improvements or NFL Network—makes the players’ take a higher percentage.

The figures from PricewaterhouseCoopers—calculated last year at the request of the NFL Players Association—include that upfront money, because it is part of the league’s gross revenue.

“The NFL wants to artificially inflate the percentage of incremental revenue going to players by excluding revenues that never go to players,” NFLPA spokesman George Atallah said. “League officials … have been selling a lockout to owners based on misleading and incomplete financial information. They excluded the cost credits to be able to tell owners that player costs are rising faster than all revenues. This is not true.”

Responding from the owners’ meeting in New Orleans, NFL general counsel Jeff Pash said: “The concept is in the collective bargaining agreement we negotiated that total revenue is the basis on which the salary cap is calculated. There is no dispute between us and the union that the players received 70 percent since we entered into the agreement (in 2006). If you want to change the denominator, you can change the percentage.

“The figures we or the union use to compute then comes out to 70 percent— or even 75 percent at times. In terms of what’s in the collective bargaining agreement, 70 percent is accurate,” Pash added.

Earlier Monday, NFL spokesman Greg Aiello wrote in an e-mail to the AP: “Expense credits were used in the last agreements by agreement with the union to cover certain expenses needed to put on the games. The NFL did not exclude anything unilaterally.”

Owners locked out the players more than a week ago, creating the NFL’s first work stoppage since 1987. That came hours after the NFLPA renounced its status as a union, allowing players to file a class-action antitrust lawsuit in federal court.

The main sticking point throughout CBA negotiations was how to divide the NFL’s more than $9 billion in annual revenues. All along, the league has said it needed to rework the CBA because too large a portion of new revenues have been devoted to players’ salaries and benefits.

Pash said Monday that “both sides agreed the cap rate of growth had to be slowed.”

A year earlier, Commissioner Roger Goodell made a similar point during his annual Super Bowl news conference.

That 70 percent figure not only made an impression on owners—it also made players wonder whether there was, indeed, an adjustment that needed to be made.

“One of the owners’ big problems with the deal, as they reported from 2006 forward, is they had the argument that player cost was north of 70 percent, say. When that number was first presented, it caused everyone on our side of the table to sit down. It caught our attention: ‘If it is 70 percent, we need to address it,”’ said former player Pete Kendall(notes), who has been advising the NFLPA during negotiations.

“It also spurred some discussion and research, and we had PricewaterhouseCoopers look at the numbers,” Kendall said last week while at the players’ meetings at Marco Island, Fla. “And what they came back with is, the only way the NFL could arrive at that was if they excluded the deductions they take (at the outset). But that is money that came into the league.”

According to the figures obtained by the AP:

— In 2005, player costs were $3.32 billion, and all revenue was $6.49 billion;

— In 2006, the first year under the just-expired CBA, player costs rose to $4.1 billion, an increase of $780 million, which is 61 percent of that year’s $1.28 billion increase in all revenue to $7.77 billion;

— By 2009, player costs were $4.5 billion, while all revenues were $8.88 billion.

Pash also said the union never considered a proposal that would have allowed players to invest, along with owners, in football and non-football projects. NFLPA spokesman George Atallah said players previously offered $1 billion in cash givebacks in exchange for equity in the 32 clubs, but NFL outside counsel Bob Batterman “told us he’s not interested in being our partner.”

AP Pro Football Writer Barry Wilner in New Orleans contributed to this story.
 
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What I'm saying is the players are getting less now than in the past. Even with extra revenues the players were getting well over 70% of the owners revenue from 2006-2009.

The players never received anywhere near 70 percent of the total revenue. I just told you what the facts were, if you don't believe them that's your call.
 
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They did. As a starting point. They ended up settling for less of a share than they've had in 10 years.

Yet this complete moron is talking about how they've won.

It's like having your pay cut at work and going out celebrating the "promotion".

They've been fine with 50 (actually 49 percent) since February.. and they waited it out and got 48 percent.

The owners on the other hand wanted over 50 percent PLUS 2 billion off the top. Now they've backtracked to nothing off the top and giving the players 48 percent.

Skew the data however you'd like..
 
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I'll try to find an old article on what I'm talking about.

Your answer is in your own article that you just posted:

“The NFL wants to artificially inflate the percentage of incremental revenue going to players by excluding revenues that never go to players,” NFLPA spokesman George Atallah said. “League officials … have been selling a lockout to owners based on misleading and incomplete financial information. They excluded the cost credits to be able to tell owners that player costs are rising faster than all revenues. This is not true.”


Again.. the players never received anywhere close to 70 percent of total revenues.. and that's why the owners did a huge backtrack from their original demands.
 
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This is why I wish the owners would just sit tight and watch these POS fold up shop and come crawling back at any deal they can get.

They have no power. They own nothing. What they do can be done by somebody else. They are not the league.

LMAO

So bitter about being wrong.. lol
 

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LMAO

So bitter about being wrong.. lol

Only a true idiot like yourself would somehow claim victory as the players settle for a smaller slice of the pie.

I'm wrong about nothing. If the owners wait this out a year or two, the players would come crawling back to sign any deal they could as the short shelf life spare parts they are. The only leverage they have resides in your tiny mind.
 

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Once it's signed, sealed and delivered you'll read many takes on the particulars. And they'll all describe a compromise on both sides.

You can believe that or you can believe this dipshat RoyDaHammah with his Iraqi Defense Minister shouts of victory for the irrelevant players.
 
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Only a true idiot like yourself would somehow claim victory as the players settle for a smaller slice of the pie.

I'm wrong about nothing. If the owners wait this out a year or two, the players would come crawling back to sign any deal they could as the short shelf life spare parts they are. The only leverage they have resides in your tiny mind.

The owners are the ones scrambling to get the deal done! lol

Its like you have a fantasy of what's going on, when what's happening is the players waited it out, and they are getting most of the concessions to go their way.

Blah blah blah.. spare parts.. blah blah blah.. the owners have the leverage.. blah blah blah. Save it. We've all heard it.

A deal is about to be reached, its going to be pretty close to what the players originally asked for, and its going to be a win/win because it'll be most cost efficient for the owners, the players will get alot of the provisions and the percentage that they wanted, and we as fans will finally have some damn football!
 

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The owners are the ones scrambling to get the deal done! lol

Its like you have a fantasy of what's going on, when what's happening is the players waited it out, and they are getting most of the concessions to go their way.

Blah blah blah.. spare parts.. blah blah blah.. the owners have the leverage.. blah blah blah. Save it. We've all heard it.

A deal is about to be reached, its going to be pretty close to what the players originally asked for, and its going to be a win/win because it'll be most cost efficient for the owners, the players will get alot of the provisions and the percentage that they wanted, and we as fans will finally have some damn football!

They're both scrambling to get a deal done. The greed on both sides won't allow them to miss a paycheck.

You are so clearly bias towards the players you're inventing a situation where they will win at all costs. Despite the fact, as will be reported everywhere once this CBA is signed, that they have accepted a smaller share of the revenue than what they were getting.

Common sense tells you there wouldn't be a deal done right now if the players didn't move toward the owners.

I can do without football. For years if I had to. I'd rather see this facade exposed that the players ever have leverage in any sports labor dispute. They never do. They never matter to the long term health of the league. I'd vote today for a lengthy lockout to break that union and put them back in their proper irrelevant place, where they should feel fortunate to play in the league not entitled to play in it.
 
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Your answer is in your own article that you just posted:

“The NFL wants to artificially inflate the percentage of incremental revenue going to players by excluding revenues that never go to players,” NFLPA spokesman George Atallah said. “League officials … have been selling a lockout to owners based on misleading and incomplete financial information. They excluded the cost credits to be able to tell owners that player costs are rising faster than all revenues. This is not true.”


Again.. the players never received anywhere close to 70 percent of total revenues.. and that's why the owners did a huge backtrack from their original demands.
So is yours about the 70% of revenue. Look at the article again.
 

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So is yours about the 70% of revenue. Look at the article again.

It's a compromise. No side got exactly what they wanted. And the first proposal from any side in a labor dispute isn't really what they hope to get. That's the first offer. You high ball that one. And the other side goes way the other way. Then you meet somewhere in the middle to get a deal done.

That's exactly what happened here.
 
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Bottom line.. players have been saying since Feb. that they'd be happy with 49 percent of overall revenues. The owners have gone from wanting over 60 percent down to accepting 52 percent.

Who got closer to what they wanted? Its not rocket science. Good day gentlemen.
 

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Bottom line.. players have been saying since Feb. that they'd be happy with 49 percent of overall revenues. The owners have gone from wanting over 60 percent down to accepting 52 percent.

Who got closer to what they wanted? Its not rocket science. Good day gentlemen.

Players have been forced to accept less of a percentage than they've had in 10 years.

Congrats on the "victory", Melvin. lol
 
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Players have been forced to accept less of a percentage than they've had in 10 years.

Congrats on the "victory", Melvin. lol

They haven't been "forced" to except anything. They made a small concession and got the owners to make big concessions.

That's how you play the game. Players come out closer to where they wanted to be by far in this deal so far. You can bitch and moan about it all you want, won't change the outcome at this point.
 

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They haven't been "forced" to except anything. They made a small concession and got the owners to make big concessions.

That's how you play the game. Players come out closer to where they wanted to be by far in this deal so far. You can bitch and moan about it all you want, won't change the outcome at this point.

They had to settle for less of a cut than any they've had in their playing career.

Winning.
 

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Keep in mind I'm talking to the idiot who came to this board declaring the owners violated the last CBA.

He might as well have said..."I am a complete assclown. Never respect a single thing I have to say."
 
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Keep in mind I'm talking to the idiot who came to this board declaring the owners violated the last CBA.

He might as well have said..."I am a complete assclown. Never respect a single thing I have to say."

Aww.. its sad when you know you're wrong and can do nothing about it, isn't it? We both know i never said they violated anything. You're just a fukin little pussy who's about to freak out because the players got what they wanted.

lol lol
 
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