Power Rankings: No. 15 Dallas Cowboys

[LAZARUS_LOGAN]

I hope you are right, Laz. That'd be great.

Look. I can give the Redskins props when appropriate, as much as I can't stand them. Robert Griffith is a gifted athlete, moreso with his legs, but from what we've seen, he cannot beat you with his arm alone, and that's what it all comes down to in being a successful QB in this league. Think about it... why the gimmicky offense that has to be employed for Robert?

Robert without a doubt is dangerous when he runs, but it cuts both ways. He's also dangerous to himself when he runs.

Fact is, Robert with wheels at 80% is still a better athlete than 95% of the other QBs. Put Griffith up in a foot race against every QB not named Vick, Wilson, and Newton. He'll beat them all. He'd beat most of them running backwards, with them running forwards. He's not crippled. That's why I am not buying the injury/recovery from injury.

Remember as to how all this past off season, we kept hearing how Robert was way ahead of schedule in recovery, and how "superhuman" he was, etc. etc. etc.

But now because the Redskins have started off at 0-3, here comes all the excuses. Of how this is still basically "training camp" for him. But his legs seem to be fine when he faced prevent defenses so far this season. Over on NFL.com they talk about how he has had 300+ passing yard games in each of his three games, but neglect to mention that the bulk came against prevent defenses.

You stated that a "better offense will help their defense". Why can't the reverse be true? A better defense will help their offense. For instance, right now...can anyone argue that the Cowboys' better defense IS helping the Cowboys' offense?


And while people talk about how Robert and thus the Redskins will get better as the season go on, but what about all the other teams that are doing well right now? Sure some may drop off---not sure which ones, but how can it be assumed that those teams will not continue to get better?

 

[ThoughtExperiment]

Well I don't agree with Laz. I didn't see any of the Skins' last two games, but in that first one against the Eagles, he definitely didn't look like himself at all. Forget the running, he didn't even want to step into his throws like he used to. So it's not just a revisionist excuse.

 

[LAZARUS_LOGAN]

Well I don't agree with Laz. I didn't see any of the Skins' last two games, but in that first one against the Eagles, he definitely didn't look like himself at all. Forget the running, he didn't even want to step into his throws like he used to. So it's not just a revisionist excuse.

He stepped into them just fine against prevent defenses. He has a strong arm and can throw the long ball--- just like Dez, but he's not very accurate. Besides, last year, he mainly dinked- and dunked it, how much do you need to step into for those types of throws? So that's bullshit.

He didn't look like himself until after the Eagles called the dogs off.

 

[ThoughtExperiment]

I don't think he looked like himself the whole time. And you need to step into even short throws so they're accurate. Not just when you want to heave it a long way.

 

[LAZARUS_LOGAN]

I don't think he looked like himself the whole time. And you need to step into even short throws so they're accurate. Not just when you want to heave it a long way.

Not really. Certainly not as much as throwing the long ball. But he wasn't all that accurate to begin with.

 

[Jon88]

I feel bad for him, even if he is a Redskin. I heard he tore the same knee at Baylor.

 

[ZeroClub]

Laz, are you arguing that RG3's significant injury and the missed off season / training camp reps have had no meaningful impact on RG3's performance so far this season?

 

[LAZARUS_LOGAN]

Laz, are you arguing that RG3's significant injury and the missed off season / training camp reps have had no meaningful impact on RG3's performance so far this season?

I think people are over blowing it. They compared him to Adrian Peterson, who nearly broke the all-time seasonal rushing yard record, after returning from the very same "significant" injury.

What I am arguing is that people are now using his injury---which he is recovered from, as an excuse, for the Redskins losing.

He's still dangerous in running. Like I said, even at 80%, he's still better than 95% of the QBs athletically.

The Redskins nearly started off similarly last year at about this time... was it because of Robert's injury? No. Because he was a rookie, correct? Well so was Wilson and Luck.

Bottomline he performs "well" when he faces prevent defense. Or are you arguing against that?

 

[ZeroClub]

Oh, I'm not arguing anything. I don't care that much about it.

Mostly, I assume there is a reasonable chance that RG3 will perform better as 1) he shakes off the rust from a lost off season. 2) his health approaches 100%, and 3) he resumes being the running threat that he was last year.

Not that I want it to happen, but my guess is that he will perform better as the season goes on.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I think people are using the excuse of his injury. He seems to show no ill effects when taking advantage of prevent defenses. He's still a one-read QB, and he's pretty much been figured out.

The same way Colin Kaepernick has seemingly been figured out.

 

[LAZARUS_LOGAN]

Oh, I'm not arguing anything. I don't care that much about it.

Mostly, I assume there is a reasonable chance that RG3 will perform better as 1) he shakes off the rust from a lost off season. 2) his health approaches 100%, and 3) he resumes being the running threat that he was last year.

Not that I want it to happen, but my guess is that he will perform better as the season goes on.

He still a running threat. And once again, where's the rust when he faces prevent defenses, and starts "lighting" up said defense?

And sorry, but their defense is still crap.

 

[LAZARUS_LOGAN]

The same way Colin Kaepernick has seemingly been figured out.

Colin K is having his issues. His team is sub .500, and his QBR is in the 70s.

 

[ZeroClub]

He still a running threat. And once again, where's the rust when he faces prevent defenses, and starts "lighting" up said defense?

And sorry, but their defense is still crap.

So you are arguing that a) he's 80%, b) 80% is just as good as 100%, and c) a missed off season had no meaningful impact.

Go for it.

 

[peplaw06]

He stepped into them just fine against prevent defenses

I don't know if that's true or not... Assuming it is, then it's definitely easier to step in to the throw when the pass rush isn't pushing into you. Plus you don't have to fit the ball into tight windows against prevent defenses.

From what I've seen, most of the time now he looks completely different when throwing the ball.

 

[LAZARUS_LOGAN]

So you are arguing that a) he's 80%, b) 80% is just as good as 100%, and c) a missed off season had no meaningful impact.

Go for it.

I don't know if he is 80% or not. I just threw that number out there. Sure, he is not 100%, but is anybody? Robert can still move! He's not hobbling about. I'm not arguing anything, other than you ans others excuse-making.

He may have missed playing in preseason, but that's been months ago. He's been playing live. Also, while he wasn't playing in preseason, he was practicing. If they had held him out of practicing during the preseason, then I might concede whatever point you think you're trying to make.

You just cannot simply state that because Robert didn't participate in preseason, as that being the reason they are 0-3. Who are to say the results wouldn't be the same? Also... the defense, last time I checked, played in preseason. What's the excuse for them crapping the bed?

 

[LAZARUS_LOGAN]

So you are arguing that a) he's 80%, b) 80% is just as good as 100%, and c) a missed off season had no meaningful impact.

Go for it.

You need to go and take a look at the other two games they've played, especially the Lions' game. Robert looks like his old self, particularly with his scrambling and then scampering and just overall escapeability(sp). He probably is going to end up getting himself hurt again.

 

[Jon88]

Do you know RG3, Laz?

 

[NoShame]

Do you know RG3, Laz?

They all know each other Jon.. Ya fuck.

 

[LAZARUS_LOGAN]

They all know each other Jon.. Ya fuck.

And we all know your mom and lady as well. And ya... we do fuck. them. good.

 

[NoShame]

Ah fuck. Got me good, Laz. Got me good.