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Norv's best success as an OC came when his downfield passing patterns shared the stage with a prominent running back who sold jerseys, launched team fame, and could not be ignored.

Are you talking about Washington!?
 
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I can almost guarantee he wont. If he fires Garrett (which he should) its in part because he knows he cant sell the fanbase on Garrett still being here and being excited about it. Nobody is going to be excited about Norv as HC either.

I think it almost has to be a proven big name coach, which means it probably will be somebody like Jon Gruden, maybe Holmgren, Lovie Smith. I guess the one coordinator type guy it might be would be Mike Zimmer because of the ties and the recent switch back to the 4-3, but he wont excite anyone either.

If Jerry gave a single shit about the fanbase, he would have never hired Wade or Ginger in the first place. I can't put anything past him at this point. Plus, we're talking about the idiot who let Sean Payton walk (TWICE), so it's not like he's really focusing on what might actually help the team.

Zimmer is terrible choice. People quickly forget how shitty the D was prior to his departure. He'd just be another puppet.

Speaking of terrible, I'm glad you mentioned Lovie. He'd be awesome as a DC, but his clock management and general clueless nature cost the Bears tons of games against good opponents. Screw that.

I'd definitely be on board with Gruden. His downfall in Tampa was that he couldn't find a QB. I don't think that reflects much on his actual coaching skills.
 

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If Jerry gave a single shit about the fanbase, he would have never hired Wade or Ginger in the first place. I can't put anything past him at this point. Plus, we're talking about the idiot who let Sean Payton walk (TWICE), so it's not like he's really focusing on what might actually help the team.

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Its hard to blame Jones for Sean Payton leaving, the guy wanted to be a HC. I think that was more on Parcells than Jones. Parcells was obviously washed up as a coach the day he got here (did good at rebuilding the roster, shitty job coaching it) and he should have just retired after the 2005 season instead of letting Payton leave.
 
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Not according to Mike McCoy of the Chargers who said that Philip Rivers was not allowed to make any adjustments to plays that wouldn't work and so this year McCoy gave Rivers options and freedom and plays that both pushed the ball but defended the QB. Rivers was getting sacked and intercepted under Norv without hope for change.

Norv's best success as an OC came when his downfield passing patterns shared the stage with a prominent running back who sold jerseys, launched team fame, and could not be ignored.

You may be missing my point.

Although I don't think Norv is a particularly good head coach, he's better than Garrett. Garrett is a remarkably poor game manager and it costs his teams.
 

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Speaking of terrible, I'm glad you mentioned Lovie. He'd be awesome as a DC, but his clock management and general clueless nature cost the Bears tons of games against good opponents. Screw that.

You're going to make some people upset here. Some are under the impression he's the next Jimmy Johnson.

Then they want to call Jerry crazy.
 

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I knew Tomlinson wouldn't get Emmitt's record and neither will Adrian Peterson. That's one record in the NFL that will never be broken. They can even go up to 18 games a season. No running back will ever have the offensive line, supporting cast, and durability that Emmitt had for 95% of his career.
 
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You may be missing my point.

Although I don't think Norv is a particularly good head coach, he's better than Garrett. Garrett is a remarkably poor game manager and it costs his teams.

I agree with Norvs understanding of the game and experience. The big problem I see is that both adhere to the same scheme philosophy which calls for a rigid "when defense presents X, you counter with Y". Have you seen how excited defenses get when Dallas goes into 5 wide with no other options but passing routes. They load the line, force the receivers into gaps that take time to set up and then they destroy Romo and the play. It just doesn't work. This scheme, without the cover of a threatening running game or even the threat of something unexpected, is just a bunch of plays that the opposing defenses know better than Dallas's offense.

If Norv were HC and his OC were Bill Lazor or someone who runs a different scheme than Norvs, I would be fine with Norv as HC. But I doubt he would allow any scheme but this post-Coryell redux that basically just gives the ball back to the opposing team at high rates unless the coach is truly disciplined enough slow his prostate with a strong belief in running the ball despite the defense.
 

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Garrett is book smart but is dumb as fuck when it comes to football knowledge.

I have never heard of a human being who didn't have flaws, much less a football coach. Garrett is no different. He also happens to have a whole lot of silly detractors who don't know what the hell they are talking about most of the time. It is always amusing at least. His biggest flaw is clearly that he calls games conservative, playing not to lose rather than playing to win. I actually got excited when we onsides kicked against the Saints. But then we immediately played conservative rather than open it up. We have the weapons, twist the throttle back.
 
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