Pick 47: Gavin Escobar, TE, San Diego State

ThoughtExperiment · Apr 25, 2014

dbair1967 said:
so why do other teams use multiple picks on TE's if they already have a good one?

I don't think there's anything wrong with using a pick on a TE, just not a very high one. I thought John Phillips was pretty decent for where he was drafted -- tough, pretty good special teamer and blocker, only a 6th rounder spent.

Sure, there's nothing wrong with using a 2nd rounder if a guy is truly good enough. But if they thought Escobar was the next Gronkowski, that's another fail on their evaluation.

dbair1967 · Apr 25, 2014

ThoughtExperiment said:
Sure, there's nothing wrong with using a 2nd rounder if a guy is truly good enough. But if they thought Escobar was the next Gronkowski, that's another fail on their evaluation.

Pretty sure they didn't think that TE, they are two totally different players.

I really do believe part of the reason they drafted him is because they were a little unsure on Witten coming off that major injury, not just for last yr but long term.

cmd34 · Apr 25, 2014

Oh boy....Jerry's PR firm is at it again.

dbair1967 · Apr 25, 2014

cmd34 said:
Oh boy....Jerry's PR firm is at it again.

shut up twit

ThoughtExperiment · Apr 25, 2014

dbair1967 said:
Pretty sure they didn't think that TE, they are two totally different players.

I really do believe part of the reason they drafted him is because they were a little unsure on Witten coming off that major injury, not just for last yr but long term.

Like... They literally are different players? I hope they knew that.

If they drafted him because of Witten, they were drafting for need, and that's almost always a bad idea.

Escobar makes me realize that might be a draft axiom: Don't draft slow-footed soft players. If you're a tremendous athlete like a Jimmy Graham, you can afford to be less than physical. But if you're slow, you better be tough. Which Pablo isn't.

dbair1967 · Apr 25, 2014

ThoughtExperiment said:
If they drafted him because of Witten, they were drafting for need, and that's almost always a bad idea.

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That idea "draft BPA regardless" is something that some say, but almost likely never do. You cant do it in the salary cap era. Its "BPA- at a position of need"

What if your a team with Tom Brady or Payton Manning in their prime, do you use your only first rd pick on a QB because that guy is the highest rated player on the board? No, you don't. What if you have Emmitt Smith in his prime, do you spend a 1st or even 2nd rd pick on a RB because that guy is "BPA", no you don't.

It was stupid to draft him where they did and then hardly use him. It wasn't stupid to draft him. The guy could have had a positive impact on the offense with more chances.

boozeman · Apr 25, 2014

dbair1967 said:
That idea "draft BPA regardless" is something that some say, but almost likely never do. You cant do it in the salary cap era. Its "BPA- at a position of need"

What if your a team with Tom Brady or Payton Manning in their prime, do you use your only first rd pick on a QB because that guy is the highest rated player on the board? No, you don't. What if you have Emmitt Smith in his prime, do you spend a 1st or even 2nd rd pick on a RB because that guy is "BPA", no you don't.

Chances are you don't even have that player on your board to begin with to bypass if you are doing it right.

Bob Sacamano · Apr 25, 2014

ThoughtExperiment said:
Like... They literally are different players? I hope they knew that.

If they drafted him because of Witten, they were drafting for need, and that's almost always a bad idea.

Escobar makes me realize that might be a draft axiom: Don't draft slow-footed soft players. If you're a tremendous athlete like a Jimmy Graham, you can afford to be less than physical. But if you're slow, you better be tough. Which Pablo isn't.

When Jason Witten entered the NFL, he was considered something of a weakling until the tutelage of Bill Parcells and Dan Campbell turned him into the tough guy that he is today.

We don't have a coach the caliber of Parcells, but we at least have Jason Witten. And Pablo seems more receptive to teaching than that idiot Martellus Bennett.

Jon88 · Apr 25, 2014

Bob Sacamano said:
that idiot Martellus Bennett

He was horrible in so many ways. What an awful pick.

Sheik · Apr 26, 2014

Why we still talking about this wasted pick?

dbair1967 · Apr 26, 2014

Sheik said:
Why we still talking about this wasted pick?

Because he's only been in the league one yr, and was wasted in his rookie yr because of dumb coaching by Garrett and Callahan

Omegasupreme · Apr 28, 2014

ThoughtExperiment said:
Like... They literally are different players? I hope they knew that.

If they drafted him because of Witten, they were drafting for need, and that's almost always a bad idea.

Escobar makes me realize that might be a draft axiom: Don't draft slow-footed soft players. If you're a tremendous athlete like a Jimmy Graham, you can afford to be less than physical. But if you're slow, you better be tough. Which Pablo isn't.

This. There is only one, ONLY one, saving grace to slow and that is size. In this case its not Escobar's strength mass or weight leverage, its his height. Jason still does not preach or direct or strategize or plan to move the chains and control the clock and possession. But Escobar could easily use 7 yard slants, curls, outs to move the chains. It would have essentiall the value of a good run but since Escobar is so tall and can handcatch at highpoints, there is no reason why he shouldn't be used for a quick 5-7 yard gain (except on 3 and 10 from the Dallas 5).
Its all on the best use of the talent. One of the umpteen weaknesses of the Garrett navigation. Garrett will not isolate the physical mismatches (which is a staple of Mike Martz progenitor of the Garrett lazy scheme) and instead, he will have all position players run basically the same routes. He thinks its deceptive and versatile but it got really absurd when Martellus Bennett was running bubble screens.

Hoofbite · Apr 28, 2014

dbair1967 said:
Pretty sure they didn't think that TE, they are two totally different players.

I really do believe part of the reason they drafted him is because they were a little unsure on Witten coming off that major injury, not just for last yr but long term.

Dallas Cowboys: Unsure about Witten since 2006.

Hoofbite · Apr 28, 2014

Hey gais,

Who knew his shitty blocking would keep him off the field.

This guy!!!

dbair1967 · Apr 29, 2014

Hoofbite said:
Hey gais,

Who knew his shitty blocking would keep him off the field.

This guy!!!

And that's the reason he shouldn't have been picked. Everybody knew he was going to struggle as a blocker. For them to pick the guy, say they are gonna use a higher % of plays in a 2 or 3 TE set and then hardly use him "because he struggles as a blocker" was beyond fucking stupid.

I still think he will be a good player, but picking him where they did and then letting him rot on the bench was ridiculous.

Jon88 · Apr 29, 2014

I wouldn't be surprised at all if we took another tight end in the 2nd round.

This team is that fucking stupid.

dbair1967 · Apr 29, 2014

Jon88 said:
I wouldn't be surprised at all if we took another tight end in the 2nd round.

This team is that fucking stupid.

They arnt drafting a TE in the 2nd rd this yr Jon

Everlastingxxx · May 3, 2014

You couldnt have used him in the endzone?

junk · May 3, 2014

Everlastingxxx said:
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You couldnt have used him in the endzone?

Hopefully Linehan can. He figured out how to use Fauria for 7 touchdowns. Of course, Fauria was an UDFA and not a 2nd round pick.

cmd34 · May 3, 2014

do you really need to be all that smart to figure out you should maybe throw to the 6'6" guy in the end zone?

Oh yeah....

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