Okay Dez, now that you have your contract...

[NoShame]

Gee I don't know genius, taking the fucking lead maybe?

Garrett and Romo to rest of offense: "Hey lets not take that TD if they give it to us, its too early"

Exactly. You beat me to it. Who the fuck really tries justifying scoring a TD as a bad thing?

Sure in a perfect world eating the rest of the clock and scoring the td would be great. But it hardly ever works out like that. It was 4th and 2. There was no guarantee a quick pass or a run would have worked against that defensive allignment. We played our match ups and we had a great one with Dez on the outside. We got aggressive and took a shot. There's nothing wrong with the call.

 

[Doomsday]

Garrett and Romo to rest of offense: "Hey lets not take that TD if they give it to us, its too early"

That actually happens. Happened in a Super Bowl once. But, of course you know I wasn't saying that. I am saying, get the first fucking down on 4th and fucking 2, then keep moving the chains, using clock, making them spend their time outs, than yes, get the fucking TD. Leaving Rodgers less than 30 seconds hopefully, to work with.

You really think it makes good strategic sense to score suddenly with over 4 minutes left, giving Rodgers that 4 minutes, needing only a FG to win the game? Not a TD, mind you.

 

[Doomsday]

There was no guarantee a quick pass or a run would have worked against that defensive allignment.

Nobody's claimed there was a guarantee, but as was pointed out here - each time we ran for one of these, we got it. And yes, vs. 10 in the box even.

 

[Doomsday]

There's nothing wrong with the call.

You go 5 wide on 4th and 2, with the NFL rushing champion watching from the sidelines - happily no threat even, to the defense.

 

[NoShame]

Dumbsday, had we have went for a short pass or run and failed to convert you'd be the first one on here saying how we should've went for the end zone. You're just one of those guys and everyone on here knows it. So stop your shit. K?

 

[peplaw06]

Exactly. You beat me to it. Who the fuck really tries justifying scoring a TD as a bad thing?

Sure in a perfect world eating the rest of the clock and scoring the td would be great. But it hardly ever works out like that. It was 4th and 2. There was no guarantee a quick pass or a run would have worked against that defensive allignment. We played our match ups and we had a great one with Dez on the outside. We got aggressive and took a shot. There's nothing wrong with the call.

And we would have gone for 2... if the 2-point conversion were successful a FG from GB would have only tied.

 

[Doomsday]

Dumbsday, had we have went for a short pass or run and failed to convert you'd be the first one on here saying how we should've went for the end zone.

That's already been charged and answered. I would have had no problem at all with a high percentage play there. We HAD to go for it in that situation - it's not like it was some bold decision.

And we would have gone for 2... if the 2-point conversion were successful a FG from GB would have only tied.

I thought about that too and if that was the plan it's only slightly better than getting just 7. Playing for overtime instead of sealing the win by grinding out the clock and still getting the 7?

 

[dbair1967]

We should ahve just punted on first down as soon as we got the ball back, that way GB could have had the ball and maybe punted back to us, leaving us elss time to score. That means it would have been clsoer to the end of the game when we scored.

 

[dbair1967]

You go 5 wide on 4th and 2, with the NFL rushing champion watching from the sidelines - happily no threat even, to the defense.

There is almost nobody in the NFL that considers 3rd and 2 or 4th and 2 a running situation. Maybe when it is well under two yards, but in todays league this is pretty much a passing situation across the board for everyone.

 

[Doomsday]

We should ahve just punted on first down as soon as we got the ball back, that way GB could have had the ball and maybe punted back to us, leaving us elss time to score. That means it would have been clsoer to the end of the game when we scored.

Cumberland College NEEDS you!

 

[dbair1967]

You go 5 wide on 4th and 2, with the NFL rushing champion watching from the sidelines - happily no threat even, to the defense.

I mean whats the chance that Murray would have fumbled had he broke through the LOS right?

Oh wait, it happened earlier in the game.

 

[Doomsday]

I mean whats the chance that Murray would have fumbled had he broke through the LOS right?

Probably less odds than what can happen with a long pass play.

 

[peplaw06]

I thought about that too and if that was the plan it's only slightly better than getting just 7. Playing for overtime instead of sealing the win by grinding out the clock and still getting the 7?

You're assuming that we would have converted the 4th down and just continued marching to the end zone. There's no guarantee of that. If you have press man with Dez and no safety help and there's a chance to take a shot deep that could result in a TD... you take it. You're not getting that opportunity on 2nd down.

And getting the 2 point conversion when you're up 1 isn't "playing for the tie." You're not just giving them a FG... We were still going to try to play defense.

 

[Doomsday]

You're assuming that we would have converted the 4th down and just continued marching to the end zone. There's no guarantee of that. If you have press man with Dez and no safety help and there's a chance to take a shot deep that could result in a TD... you take it. You're not getting that opportunity on 2nd down.

And getting the 2 point conversion when you're up 1 isn't "playing for the tie." You're not just giving them a FG... We were still going to try to play defense.

I am assuming the odds are better to convert with either a run or a short pass to Beasley (who was open) than getting the connect on the deep ball. NOT assuming we would actually convert, at all.

Hey, it is okay with me if you guys and other people like the call. How come it's not okay if I don't?

As I said, I wouldn't like it even if successful. It was a low percentage play. If they rolled the dice and won, I'd do cartwheels and say "great" but like the passenger hubby after wifey made a dumb move on the interstate, I would be "don't ever do that again."

It was a roll of the dice, they took a shot. As I also said, I admire the gumption, the balls of it. But not the percentages.

You're not getting that opportunity on 2nd down.

Happens all the time Man! Especially with play-action.

Hey, I'm still butthurt over our season ending that way. Lemme bitch. Only 16 days until the preseason opener!

 

[dbair1967]

That's already been charged and answered. I would have had no problem at all with a high percentage play there. We HAD to go for it in that situation - it's not like it was some bold decision.

They didnt HAVE to go for it. Romo chose to do what he did based on the way the defense lined up, and he made a decision that works more often that not because he threw the ball out of his mind last yr after the first couple games and Dez Bryant is the matchup nightmare for hell vs just about any CB in the league.

The pass protection was great. The throw was perfect. The catch was great. Only an incredibly stupid ruling by the league overturned it.

If they had thrown a 3 yd pass on 4th and 2 there's no guarantee it would be complete. There's no guarantee we'd have scored a TD on a later play. Had we run maybe Murray gets stuffed or maybe he fumbles (which he was prone to do last yr unfortunately, including earlier in this game)

You can play the what if shit all day. Give it the fuck up.

 

[Doomsday]

They didnt HAVE to go for it.

They did. They needed a TD not a 48 yd field goal. You can't pooch punt it there, GB would just run out the clock. Which is exactly what they ultimately did. They had no reasonable choice but to go for it on that particular 4th and 2.

there's no guarantee

For about the fourth time, no one said there were any guarantees. But the odds were definitely better than what you get with the deep ball.

You liked the call and that's okay with me. I didn't like it. That should be okay with you.

 

[peplaw06]

Hey, it is okay with me if you guys and other people like the call. How come it's not okay if I don't?

You can disagree with the playcall that's fine... Other agree, and that's their right. But no one on the other side of your argument is marginalizing your position. You're in here asking "what's the fucking upside?" like people who disagree with you aren't being reasonable or rational. If you want people to agree to disagree, you have to be respectful of their opinion.

It was a roll of the dice, they took a shot. As I also said, I admire the gumption, the balls of it. But not the percentages.

What are the percentages?

Happens all the time Man! Especially with play-action.

2nd and short is a well-known play action and/or take a deep shot down. No question they would have had safety help over the top on Dez on a hypothetical 2nd and short.

 

[Doomsday]

You're in here asking "what's the fucking upside?" like people who disagree with you aren't being reasonable or rational.

Not at all. I am asking because I don't see it. YOU wrote the rest of this into it.

2nd and short is a well-known play action and/or take a deep shot down.

That... Dallas hardly ever does. And with Murray back there as a threat, the safeties cheat up. Wideout runs right by them. And it's NOT like they only take shots for Dez when he's singled up, they throw to him when he is doubled as well.

What are the percentages?

Better for a run or a short pass than they are for a bomb. Everyone knows that.

agree to disagree,

Stupidest adage ever, really hate it. I default instead to "disagree without being disagreeable." I don't want or expect people to agree, or even disagree. I'm agnostic on it.

I don't like the playcall and have good and reasonable reasons for it. It's not like I am saying anything wild or totally out of place - even Aikman said it.

 

[peplaw06]

Not at all. I am asking because I don't see it. YOU wrote the rest of this into it.

More "who me?" bullshit. Yawn.

That... Dallas hardly ever does. And with Murray back there as a threat, the safeties cheat up. Wideout runs right by them. And it's NOT like they only take shots for Dez when he's singled up, they throw to him when he is doubled as well.

What are the percentages that Dallas does it compared to the league average. If you want people to accept the conclusion that Dallas hardly ever does this, then prove it.

Better for a run or a short pass than they are for a bomb. Everyone knows that.

Generic... I'm asking for the percentages. Since you said they're better for a run or short pass than they are for a bomb, then I would assume you have the numbers.

Stupidest adage ever, really hate it. I default instead to "disagree without being disagreeable." I don't want or expect people to agree, or even disagree. I'm agnostic on it.

I don't like the playcall and have good and reasonable reasons for it. It's not like I am saying anything wild or totally out of place - even Aikman said it.

You've made your point... You can let it go, and agree to disagree, or you can continue arguing.

 

[dbair1967]

He'll continue to argue, he's an idiot