Obamacare Constitutional - A great day for America, and therefore the world.

[peplaw06]

SCOTUS ruled that no one is "forced" to buy this. They can buy it, or they can pay the tax. Since illegals don't file tax returns and don't pay taxes, no they're not "forced" to buy it.

Plus, depending on the state you live in, Medicaid will be expanded to allow more adults to receive coverage. So, in California for example, you will still have the problem of illegals going to the ER for free primary care, and you'll have millions more spent on Medicaid.

 

[superpunk]

lots of illegals have jobs and fake SS#'s and pay taxes.

 

[bkeavs]

Would fixing the sitution with illegal immigrants eliminate the need for Obamacare.

12 million people not paying taxes and getting free hospitalization surely has to affect the healthcare system

 

[peplaw06]

ok, *some* illegals pay taxes... I'm sure most of that just comes from what is withheld from paychecks. The IRS doesn't track the mismatched W-2s to determine which of them are illegals and which ones aren't, so they don't know how many illegals pay taxes. So it may not be 100% of illegals don't pay taxes, but I'd wager that the majority of them do not.

Saw an article on USA Today that said illegals paid $9 billion into Social Security last year. That's 1.5% of the total social security revenue.

 

[lons]

Anyone that remotely believes that this will drive the cost of health care down is an idiot. It didn't in Mass, it didn't in Tenn, it won't nation wide. When folks think something is free. They wanna get their money's worth. The folks not working and with nothing else to do will clog every ER from here to tim buck 2. I got to see that first hand in TN when I worked there for Dell for a few years.

God forbid you have a real emergency or illness and work. You are in line behind every bored TennCare patient that thinks they might have a cold. And lets be honest here, this is just the first step. Everyone knows the current way this is set up is gonna prove to inefficient and will be moved to single payer, Government controlled health care. The foots in the door, the rest will follow.

So yeah, don't try to blow smoke up my ass and tell me this was a good thing. Our health care costs will sore and when the doctors and nurses figure out that they aren't gonna keep getting paid like whoa they'll stop going to school and staying here afterwards and care will start to go down.

Medicaid is a joke, try finding a doctor that actually takes that anymore unless forced to by the Government.

But it's here, not a whole lot I can do about it, but don't ask me to be happy my costs have skyrocketed so a bunch of folks that didn't have insurance now do.

 

[superpunk]

But it's here, not a whole lot I can do about it, but don't ask me to be happy my costs have skyrocketed so a bunch of folks that didn't have insurance now do.

Yeah because fuck everyone who isn't you.

 

[Midswat]

Yeah because fuck everyone who isn't you.

It's called Darwinism.

 

[superpunk]

It's called Darwinism.

Sometimes the depth of your ignorance amazes me. Your wheelhouse is getting dates with crazy ladies on craigslist. Stay away from politics, science, or current events if at all possible.

 

[Hoofbite]

Anyone that remotely believes that this will drive the cost of health care down is an idiot. It didn't in Mass, it didn't in Tenn, it won't nation wide. When folks think something is free. They wanna get their money's worth. The folks not working and with nothing else to do will clog every ER from here to tim buck 2. I got to see that first hand in TN when I worked there for Dell for a few years.

God forbid you have a real emergency or illness and work. You are in line behind every bored TennCare patient that thinks they might have a cold. And lets be honest here, this is just the first step. Everyone knows the current way this is set up is gonna prove to inefficient and will be moved to single payer, Government controlled health care. The foots in the door, the rest will follow.

So yeah, don't try to blow smoke up my ass and tell me this was a good thing. Our health care costs will sore and when the doctors and nurses figure out that they aren't gonna keep getting paid like whoa they'll stop going to school and staying here afterwards and care will start to go down.

Medicaid is a joke, try finding a doctor that actually takes that anymore unless forced to by the Government.

But it's here, not a whole lot I can do about it, but don't ask me to be happy my costs have skyrocketed so a bunch of folks that didn't have insurance now do.

Why would they get paid any less?

I've heard people say this and have yet to see a valid reason as to why this would be the case.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Just read the Roberts opinion and most of Scalia's dissent... yeah I'm a little masochistic.

The lengths the majority went to are just baffling. Mandate is not a tax for anti-injunction purposes, but is a tax for constitutional purposes. Obama says in 2009 it's not a tax. Sebelius says in 2012 it's not a tax. Obama's budget director says it's not a tax. Statute says it's a penalty, not a tax.

Supreme Court: It's a tax.

wtf

SCOTUS over and over again has stated that they look to see what something does rather than what it is called. The penalty is to be collected under tax code by the IRS. They didn't want to call it a tax because of how political rhetoric in this country works but they implemented it just like every other tax is implemented. You of all people should understand the difference between rhetoric and reality.

Even on the fist day of deliberations the DoJ peeps called it a tax although Sotamayor criticized him more than a little.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

It's funny how you work most of your life to get a job/career where you are afforded health care as part of your employment package, only to see it just given away to any schmuck without an ounce of ambition. Sofaking retawded.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Why would they get paid any less?

I've heard people say this and have yet to see a valid reason as to why this would be the case.

Especially considering what increase in demand does to a market. The AMA's central bitch is about how there aren't going to be enough of them to deal with the increase in patients. Supply remains static and demand goes up: what happens to price?

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

It's funny how you work most of your life to get a job/career where you are afforded health care as part of your employment package, only to see it just given away to any schmuck without an ounce of ambition. Sofaking retawded.

Didn't you wait tables for years?

 

[Bob Sacamano]

If they can afford the car and phone then they can afford the health insurance as well.

You ever heard of debt?

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Didn't you wait tables for years?

lol I waited tables for like 3 months. Then I got fired.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I still respect you, Fuzzy. Still a feggit.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

We just need to get theo here so you can really let the tears flow.

Big hugs. I must say I liked your generalization of all of those that lack insurance.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

We just need to get theo here so you can really let the tears flow.

Big hugs. I must say I liked your generalization of all of those that lack insurance.

Oh, I forgot they're dumb.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

So summer what do you attribute the unemployment over the last 6 years? They all stupid and lazy too?

 

[Bob Sacamano]

So summer what do you attribute the unemployment over the last 6 years? They all stupid and lazy too?

What does that have to do with people not being able to or refusing to rise above part-time employment, less than 40 hours a week, that doesn't give them medical benefits?