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Transcript from CNN:

CROWLEY: Do you think the president will do anything other than veto a bill that would keep those Bush tax cuts for everyone intact?

GIBBS: We should protect the tax cuts for the middle-class, and we should let tax cuts for millionaires and billionaires expire.

CROWLEY: Even though recovery is not that great, and people say don’t take money out of this economy, it is not the time for a tax hike, you would go ahead and do it for those making $250,000 and above.

GIBBS: We ought to do something about this deficit, and we ought to protect middle class tax cuts, and the best way to do that is to let the upper-end tax cuts expire, let the wealthy in this country that had been doing fine for years and years and years begin to pay their fair share, and make sure that we protect the tax rate that middle-class families have had for the past many years.

CROWLEY: So the president is totally committed to getting rid of the tax cut for those making $250,000 and above.

GIBBS: Let’s make some progress on our spending by doing away with tax cuts for people who quite frankly don’t need them, tax cuts that have not worked, and have them pay their fair share.

CROWLEY: So is that a yes or a no? The president is completely committed to this, he won’t allow it to happen?

GIBBS: He is 100 percent committed to it.

The point of Robert Gibbs putting this out there today was to get the conversation started. President Obama should be salivating over the possibility of making Mitt Romney defend his unpopular position of lowering taxes for the wealthy.

Numerous polls have shown that support for raising taxes on the wealthy cuts across party lines. As much as Republicans don’t want to talk about it, the Mitt Romney tax plan is radical upward redistribution of wealth. If Republicans gain full control of the federal government they intend to lower taxing on the wealthy while increasing them on the middle class and poor.

The Bush tax cuts are going to be a major issue of the General Election campaign. Even though 74% of Americans support killing the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy, there are seven Democratic Senators who are actually siding with Republicans on extending the tax cuts for those who need them least.

Obama has had great political success campaigning against the Bush tax cuts, and the comments by Robert Gibbs suggest that the president is getting ready to make the rich paying their fair share a central point of his reelection campaign. It will be interesting to see how the Republican nominee, who is one of those wealthy people who don’t pay their fair share, explains why he and his ilk don’t have to do their part.

The political dynamics have changed. Obama has tamed the toothless Republican tiger, and if he wins reelection there will be nothing stopping him from killing the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy.
 

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Obama has had great political success campaigning against the Bush tax cuts, and the comments by Robert Gibbs suggest that the president is getting ready to make the rich paying their fair share a central point of his reelection campaign. It will be interesting to see how the Republican nominee, who is one of those wealthy people who don’t pay their fair share, explains why he and his ilk don’t have to do their part.

Romney ded.
 

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I have to say that this is about as much depth as we get from you on political analysis. Raise the bar, man.

Sadly, this is the bar in raised form.

At least he's posting something he can claim is his own opinion.
 

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Sadly, this is the bar in raised form.

At least he's posting something he can claim is his own opinion.

Seems to be an opinion shared by millions. He does a great job proving it everyday.
 

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Seems to be an opinion shared by millions. He does a great job proving it everyday.

When i say this I want to make sure i am not including you in this but there are millions of really stupid people. this is not to say that people that say this are by definition stupid as I myself do not like Obama. I also have read your posts for years and years and I know that you are not dumb.

I just get the impression that you allow yourself to be lead fairly mindlessly to conclusions and are intellectually lazy in your approach. I say this because I read a constant train of pejoratives, spin and obvious rhetoric. Your constant refrain on socialism is evidence of this.

More of this http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1214894113898255184

and less of http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mb1XuX4d3XU
 

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When i say this I want to make sure i am not including you in this but there are millions of really stupid people.

Totally agree, and alot of them shouldnt be allowed to vote (I am not singling out one side or another here. My opinion is if you cant answer some basic questions or keep somewhat informed, you shouldnt be allowed to vote)

I just get the impression that you allow yourself to be lead fairly mindlessly to conclusions and are intellectually lazy in your approach. I say this because I read a constant train of pejoratives, spin and obvious rhetoric.

I'm socially and financially conservative. My belief is both are right.

Your constant refrain on socialism is evidence of this.

Because it doesnt work. Its been tried over and over again, and its proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that its a failure.
 

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I'm socially and financially conservative. My belief is both are right.

I'm socially and financially conservative. My belief is both are right.

This is puritanical myopic nonsense.

And do you consider Britain and Germany to be failures?

Personally I think that Germany's political system is much much more representative than ours. Britains too for that matter. Their economies are much more mixed that ours.

Our economy is mixed as much as you try and ignore that. Do you reject antitrust laws? How about government funding into telecom, highway and transportation as well as other economies of scale are failures. Do you think the Marshall Plan was a bad idea? The TVA, how about public schools?
 

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This is puritanical myopic nonsense.

Not to me it isnt.

And do you consider Britain and Germany to be failures?

Compared to us before Obama took office? Absolutely.

Personally I think that Germany's political system is much much more representative than ours. Britains too for that matter. Their economies are much more mixed that ours.

Mixed is putting it lightly.

Our economy is mixed as much as you try and ignore that. Do you reject antitrust laws? How about government funding into telecom, highway and transportation as well as other economies of scale are failures. Do you think the Marshall Plan was a bad idea? The TVA, how about public schools?

There are some things the government does do well, but if you are asking me how much I want them involved in my day to day life my answer is as little as possible. Alot of government (public) schools are utter failures. I dont think they should go away, but I do think parents should have the right to school voucher/school choice for their children, especially in areas where the public system is clearly failing.
 

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When i say this I want to make sure i am not including you in this but there are millions of really stupid people. this is not to say that people that say this are by definition stupid as I myself do not like Obama. I also have read your posts for years and years and I know that you are not dumb.

I just get the impression that you allow yourself to be lead fairly mindlessly to conclusions and are intellectually lazy in your approach. I say this because I read a constant train of pejoratives, spin and obvious rhetoric. Your constant refrain on socialism is evidence of this.

More of this http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1214894113898255184

and less of http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mb1XuX4d3XU

Ok, lets play your silly game and I raise you...

[video=youtube;e_JJLLfTR8I]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_JJLLfTR8I[/video]
 

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This is puritanical myopic nonsense.

And do you consider Britain and Germany to be failures?

Personally I think that Germany's political system is much much more representative than ours. Britains too for that matter. Their economies are much more mixed that ours.

Our economy is mixed as much as you try and ignore that. Do you reject antitrust laws? How about government funding into telecom, highway and transportation as well as other economies of scale are failures. Do you think the Marshall Plan was a bad idea? The TVA, how about public schools?


Any one that looks at the Brits or Germany as a way we should head. Needs to have their head examined. The more we move toward their types of systems, the worse the Country gets. While I'm all for everyone paying their share, how fucking much is fair for someone that has done enough to make millionaires of themselves? 75? 98? When is it fair? Should it be 100%? Just show up to work and give us all your fucking money? Give me a number.

Public schools have failed the youth of this country for the last 30 years.

As someone that grew up on a TVA lake, I can say yes, the TVA is a failure. More and more as the years go by, less and less is powered by the Hydro they make and the devastation that is trying to control a fucking river shows itself again and again.

The Federal H&T is a joke, it is constantly used to bend States to the will of the Fed and to force them to do what they are told.

Our Federal Government has been over reaching more and more over the last 50 years and just seems to pick of steam by the year. Republican or Democrat alike. It makes me sick that someone will vote for X person because they have an R or a D next to their name or because they are Black or White or Latin. It should be based on if they can actually do the fucking job and I'm all for kicking everyone out every fucking election until their are none of the fucktards left.

Starting with Obama and continuing on to Romney should he just not fucking get it either.

To use ANY Country in Europe as a standard we should wish to achieve is laughable and on the verge of insanity.

They have these standards of living, because they don't have to keep a standing Army, we pay for the world police dept. Tell the UN the USA won't be sending them anymore troops or airplanes more than say the Brits or Germany does and they wouldn't be able to stop a Tonka truck, much less a coup. I'm sick of the world shitting on us, as being arrogant or ignorant when they live under the umbrella that is, "If the shit hits the fan" the USA will get us out of it.

We've globalized far to much, so much to the point that we have a generation now that has grown up believing that Countries don't matter and that we are all one world under one. I've news for you. That isn't so. There are people that have died for this Country so that you could get on the internet and bad mouth it without retribution.

The fact that we can even have a forum and bad mouth the President or the guy gunning to remove him from office is a testament to that. God help us all when everyone quits understanding that there are lines you don't cross or there won't be any going back.
 

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Britain has 11 parties represented in parliament. Germany has 6. They both run parliamentary systems and we in no way have moved towards that. Further claiming that "more we move toward their types of systems, the worse the Country gets" is unsubstantiated bullshit. The British and German economies are the two most successful in Europe. If you are going to make such statements then specifically what policies have we implemented that are in either country that we have implemented and made things worse? The only one you mention is the defense budget and that example is that they are doing a better job and making better decisions.

I agree that spending 40% of our budget on the military is a bad idea but I fail to see how governments that do not do that and their success are a bad idea to emulate rather than stick with our status quo. They are still much much more representative and diverse politically.

If the TVA did not exist how much of Appalachia do you think would have running water or power?

Asserting that public schools are a bad idea for all they have "failed the youth of this country for the last 30 years" is just stupidity.
 

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Ok, lets play your silly game and I raise you...

[video=youtube;e_JJLLfTR8I]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_JJLLfTR8I[/video]

This is asinine. I was talking about intelligent conservatism versus what passes for conservative rhetoric now. Pointing out stupid people that voted for Obama is besides the point. If anything the example of Chomsky and your video outlines that point as well.

Raise the fucking bar.
 
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