Obama-care architect Senator Max Baucus admits it is a disaster and quits.

[jeebus]

The crisis of the third century A.D. demolished this world and led to a social and economic restructuring of late Roman society. In northwestern Europe it produced an oligarchy of a few exceptionally wealthy families. The elevation of the extremely wealthy to oligarchic status is happening differently today, but the outcome of that elevation could follow a similarly disastrous course.

The social and economic restructuring of northwestern Europe in Roman times began with a series of disasters and wars not entirely unlike the Great Recession and multiple attacks and wars that afflicted the last two presidents. These shocks devastated the population and sharply reduced production.

Since the tax revenues from a diminished empire could not meet such increased expenditures, the emperors started paying soldiers and suppliers in depreciated coinage. Credit and commerce collapsed under the resulting inflation and distrust, barter returned to poorer parts of the empire like northwestern Europe, and land values there plummeted. Peasants fled from soldiers and vagabonds foraging for food, the urban middle classes floundered, and the surviving towns and cities, barely hanging on, could no longer protect the countryside and its farms.

Only the very rich--Roman senators, imperial generals and the like--had the diversified investments that allowed them to escape the poverty and dangers that engulfed virtually everyone else.

These wealthy Romans acquired huge tracts of land at bargain prices, becoming the owners of northwestern Europe's most productive assets. They could offer protection and aid in return for loyal service, and desperate men flocked to their employment (mostly tenancy). The emperors now had to wheedle taxes and manpower from these great powers. The resulting bargains gradually sapped imperial power, and after the Vandals sacked Rome itself, in 455, the last emperor soon departed.

Northwestern Europe's new social and economic structure consigned the vast majority of the population to miserably impoverished lives.

This concludes todays history lesson.

Lol this is great, am on vacation for the weekend, but I vow this will not go unanswered for long!!

 

[jeebus]

the fall of Rome is just a bullshit go-to popular meme for Christian Conservatives to go to when they want to convince the rest of the world that we either live by their arbitrary "morals" (or whatever bullshit they're pimping at the moment) or we're destined to become chinese slaves and America will cease to exist. it's like "Sodom and Gomorrah" 2.0, except Rome actually happened.

fact is "Rome" isn't really an appropriate model for the modern world. Yeah empires rise and fall. No shit sherlock. Britain's slowly been giving up their empire for centuries now.

but these people have never been good at living in the modern world. let them keep thinking a nation built on horses and sailboats is an appropriate model to look at today.

You are a little person. Man is the same animal he always was. I can't think of a better historical analogy than Hellenic and Hellenistic Greek mediteranian.

 

[jeebus]

The butt sex theory sounds reasonable. Let's go with that.

All kidding aside, the Roman idea of sexual preference was completely different than ours. They would've scoffed at the idea that a person is born with an inclination one way or another. Gay sex was considered a fringe benefit of having money and status.

there was no such thing as "gay sex", there was merely the women's role and the mans role. A person who was penetrated was despised far more than a fag in today's society, they were man who had chosen to become women. Even pederasts didn't fvck their boys...

 

[ScipioCowboy]

there was no such thing as "gay sex", there was merely the women's role and the mans role. A person who was penetrated was despised far more than a fag in today's society, they were man who had chosen to become women. Even pederasts didn't fvck their boys...

I thought Roman law allowed higher class males to penetrate males of lower status.

 

[superpunk]

 

[ScipioCowboy]

Don't be such a prude.

 

[jeebus]

I thought Roman law allowed higher class males to penetrate males of lower status.

It absolutely did. Because the categories were not gay or straight, rather make or female. A higher class male could fuck a man because he was merely maintaining his role as a male, while the penetrated was lowered to the status of female.

The modern idea of homosexuality and equal partners was non existent. They did things we would call gay, but the categories were different then and they definitely did not have a gay category (as in two men of equal status fvcking forthw pleasure of both).

 

[Ben_in_Austin]

next time just c&p the link you ripped all that shit off

Was thinking the same thing.

Here it is..

http://www.forbes.com/2011/05/25/decline-and-fall-of-the-american-empire.html

 

[Irving Cowboy]

Was thinking the same thing.

Here it is..

http://www.forbes.com/2011/05/25/dec...an-empire.html

Thinking the same thing... you copied and pasted SP's post you moron.

http://www.forbes.com/2011/05/25/dec...an-empire.html

ok I'll do it for you.

 

[JBond]

awwww someone's embarassed.

Not at all. I am not the one that condones using the power of the federal government to punish dissenting opinions. Your are the one that should be ashamed. You are the phony that claims everyone deserves equal rights.... except Jews and Hispanics and those that question the fucked up road your dear leader is dragging us down. Your cult like fanaticism is troublesome. You worship a pig that claims he has no idea what the hell is going on. Why?

What convinced you to believe his lies regarding the cost of health care? Was it his magic half blackness? Was it the letter next to his name? Why did you believe a the bullshit he spouted? Just curious.

At least I have been consistent. I bashed Bush for his idiotic moves and I bash Obama for his bumbling sophomoric ways. You on the other hand are a partisan hack.

 

[superpunk]

Noone cares.

 

[JBond]

Noone cares.

Obama Worshipers do not care. Rational people care that the President is a clueless twit. The dumb SOB has no idea what the hell is going on. His reply to every scandal created by the turds he appointed is "Duh.....what you talking about? Duh....Umm....I need another nap. I am really confused by your rabid support of a moron that has lost control of his minions.

 

[superpunk]

 

[JBond]

Why the lol? He is either a moron or all this stuff is planned. Which is it?

He may not have directly ordered each action (except the Benghazi assassination) but he appointed turds that would use creative/illegal means to fulfill his fucked up agenda.

Have you read any of Obama's books?

 

[superpunk]

You mean the Quran?

Yeah I've read it.