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Well no shit Max. We already knew that.

Senate Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus’ gaff—defined in Washington as when someone inadvertently tells the truth—about ObamaCare being a “train wreck” was actually an understatement: ObamaCare faces multiple train wrecks.

Baucus was referring to the implementation of ObamaCare: the missed deadlines, the confusion, and perhaps most importantly, the political fallout. But there are several other train wrecks, abject failures that have received little attention. And Republicans have had little or nothing to do with them.

Train Wreck No. 1 — Electronic health records, or EHRs, were supposed to create an electronic version of patients’ medical records that could be transferred from doctor to doctor or hospital to hospital, known as “interoperability.”

The Obama administration included $20 billion in the 2009 “stimulus bill” to promote the adoption of EHRs. Doctors and hospitals would be paid if they implemented EHRs in a “meaningful” way. The oft-repeated justification was that EHRs would save money—Obama cited an $81 billion savings that no one now believes—and improve the quality of care.

Well, the title of a January New York Times report reveals what many health policy experts predicted: “In Second Look, Few Savings from Digital Health Records.” As it turns out the only ones benefiting from EHRs are the companies that lobbied for the legislation, doubling some of those companies’ profits. As the Times points out, “the legislation has been a windfall to top executives at the leading health records companies.”

Had anyone taken the time to look at the VA and its hospital system, which has had versions of electronic health records for decades, they might have been a little less optimistic. A recent National Center for Policy Analysis report explains, “efforts to integrate Department of Defense medical records for service members with VA electronic health records for new veterans have failed, hamstringing attempts to provide a continuum of care for veterans with service-connected conditions, as well as costing taxpayers more than $1 billion dollars.”

Electronic health records may eventually become the gold standard in health care, but we’re not there yet and Obama’s billions of taxpayer dollars may have even slowed the progress.

Train Wreck No. 2 — President Obama rammed through the first major new entitlement in 45 years, but instead of people embracing it, most don’t want it; not businesses, not insurers, not doctors, not individuals. Apparently, not even Democrats who voted for it.

Reuters reports that the largest insurers, most of which initially supported the legislation, are very reluctant to enter the health insurance exchanges, where millions are supposed to have access to numerous health insurance options. “In recent days, executives at the four largest U.S. health insurers say they are likely to sell insurance plans on less than a third of the exchanges, reluctant to venture out beyond the states where they already offer coverage.”

And insurers aren’t alone. A majority of the public has supported repeal since the legislation passed, and the “repealers” have recently grown. Of course, business trade associations like the U.S. Chamber of Commerce and the National Federation of Independent Business have been fighting ObamaCare from the beginning.

The reception has been so bad that the Obama administration signed a $20 million public relations contract a year ago in an attempt to convince the public they want ObamaCare, and it just signed two more for another $10 million. That’s $30 million of your tax dollars to sell something most of you don’t want.

Train Wreck No. 3 — Health insurance premiums will explode. In January retired actuary Mark Litow and I published an opinion piece in the Wall Street Journal explaining why ObamaCare will push up premiums for some people by 100 percent.

In the last two months, as insurers have begun to announce their ObamaCare premiums, it’s clear we were right. States that largely destroyed their health insurance markets, like Massachusetts and New York, may not see much change—at least for a few years. But states that did a good job of ensuring access to affordable coverage will see their premiums skyrocket, especially in the individual market for younger adults.

Note that the rise in premiums is not a result of Obama’s sloppy implementation efforts; it’s due to the fact that the people writing the legislation didn’t have a clue how health insurance works or how it affects consumer choices. They thought—and Obama repeated it several times—that getting everyone covered would lower health care spending. They also thought that adding free services would reduce health care costs, when virtually any actuary would have told them the opposite.

Train Wreck No. 4 — And let’s not forget those with major pre-existing medical conditions, the uninsurables. ObamaCare put $5 billion aside to fund a new system of high risk pools to cover them—even though 35 state-based high risk pools already existed with about 220,000 people enrolled.

While Democratic planners expected some 375,000 people would be eligible to enroll in the program, only about 100,000 have. And yet the program is running out of money, and so the administration has closed it to new enrollees.

Let me repeat that: One of Obama’s primary justifications for demanding health care reform was to help the uninsurables get coverage, and he has closed that provision to new entrants.

Yes, ObamaCare will be a train wreck, many times over—just wait until the IRS cranks up its enforcement efforts or it becomes clear that people cannot get health insurance subsidies in the federally created exchanges.

Democrats went to great lengths to completely restructure the U.S. health care system and get all the “credit” for it. And now they are increasingly afraid they will.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/merrill...us-obamacare-is-facing-multiple-train-wrecks/
 
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Rome wasn't destroyed in a day.

Fixed. There are many parallels to the fall of Rome and the demise of our country. Rome devolved into a hedonistic society. The government/leaders resorted to handouts to keep the poor from revolting as they themselves became fabulously wealthy. Corruption in the Senate was rampant as it is today.
 

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Fixed. There are many parallels to the fall of Rome and the demise of our country. Rome devolved into a hedonistic society. The government/leaders resorted to handouts to keep the poor from revolting as they themselves became fabulously wealthy. Corruption in the Senate was rampant as it is today.

Rome fell for 400 years.
 

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Fixed. There are many parallels to the fall of Rome and the demise of our country. Rome devolved into a hedonistic society. The government/leaders resorted to handouts to keep the poor from revolting as they themselves became fabulously wealthy. Corruption in the Senate was rampant as it is today.

WTF are you even talking about?

After Julius Caesar, the Senate was largely irrelevant. The hedonism was rampant during the zenith of Rome. That is was a determinant is just typical judeo-christian puritanical nonsense.

The fall of Rome was about occupying too much territory without a native military to police it. Constantine split it and converted to Christianity because his army was piecemeal from across Europe and Christian. He divided the empire which soon resulted in the sacking of Rome.
 

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The crisis of the third century A.D. demolished this world and led to a social and economic restructuring of late Roman society. In northwestern Europe it produced an oligarchy of a few exceptionally wealthy families. The elevation of the extremely wealthy to oligarchic status is happening differently today, but the outcome of that elevation could follow a similarly disastrous course.

The social and economic restructuring of northwestern Europe in Roman times began with a series of disasters and wars not entirely unlike the Great Recession and multiple attacks and wars that afflicted the last two presidents. These shocks devastated the population and sharply reduced production.

Since the tax revenues from a diminished empire could not meet such increased expenditures, the emperors started paying soldiers and suppliers in depreciated coinage. Credit and commerce collapsed under the resulting inflation and distrust, barter returned to poorer parts of the empire like northwestern Europe, and land values there plummeted. Peasants fled from soldiers and vagabonds foraging for food, the urban middle classes floundered, and the surviving towns and cities, barely hanging on, could no longer protect the countryside and its farms.

Only the very rich--Roman senators, imperial generals and the like--had the diversified investments that allowed them to escape the poverty and dangers that engulfed virtually everyone else.

These wealthy Romans acquired huge tracts of land at bargain prices, becoming the owners of northwestern Europe's most productive assets. They could offer protection and aid in return for loyal service, and desperate men flocked to their employment (mostly tenancy). The emperors now had to wheedle taxes and manpower from these great powers. The resulting bargains gradually sapped imperial power, and after the Vandals sacked Rome itself, in 455, the last emperor soon departed.

Northwestern Europe's new social and economic structure consigned the vast majority of the population to miserably impoverished lives.

This concludes todays history lesson.
 
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Another thread the cat fornicator is incapable of materially participating in due to limited mental capacity.
 

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Distractions are all you have. Thread after thread you have nothing to contribute.

Did Baucus say he was quitting? Did he finally admit the legislation he wrote was a disaster? Is Obama care lowering costs? When will a family of 4 start paying $2500 less than they did in 2009?

How much of the $750 million in waste, fraud, and abuse has Obama cut from the existing government plan for seniors?
 

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Distractions are all you have. Thread after thread you have nothing to contribute.

Did Baucus say he was quitting? Did he finally admit the legislation he wrote was a disaster? Is Obama care lowering costs? When will a family of 4 start paying $2500 less than they did in 2009?

How much of the $750 million in waste, fraud, and abuse has Obama cut from the existing government plan for seniors?

Did you plagiarize this or did you write it yourself? I'm too lazy to check plus I have to go pick up my obamaphone.
 

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Did Baucus say he was quitting? Did he finally admit the legislation he wrote was a disaster? Is Obama care lowering costs? When will a family of 4 start paying $2500 less than they did in 2009?

How much of the $750 million in waste, fraud, and abuse has Obama cut from the existing government plan for seniors?
 

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WTF are you even talking about?

After Julius Caesar, the Senate was largely irrelevant. The hedonism was rampant during the zenith of Rome. That is was a determinant is just typical judeo-christian puritanical nonsense.

The fall of Rome was about occupying too much territory without a native military to police it. Constantine split it and converted to Christianity because his army was piecemeal from across Europe and Christian. He divided the empire which soon resulted in the sacking of Rome.

The fall of Rome probably resulted from something more mundane than that. Much more.

The lead piping that they used for their water is what scientists are terming the cause of that being from.
 

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the fall of Rome is just a bullshit go-to popular meme for Christian Conservatives to go to when they want to convince the rest of the world that we either live by their arbitrary "morals" (or whatever bullshit they're pimping at the moment) or we're destined to become chinese slaves and America will cease to exist. it's like "Sodom and Gomorrah" 2.0, except Rome actually happened.

fact is "Rome" isn't really an appropriate model for the modern world. Yeah empires rise and fall. No shit sherlock. Britain's slowly been giving up their empire for centuries now.

but these people have never been good at living in the modern world. let them keep thinking a nation built on horses and sailboats is an appropriate model to look at today.
 

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The butt sex theory sounds reasonable. Let's go with that.

All kidding aside, the Roman idea of sexual preference was completely different than ours. They would've scoffed at the idea that a person is born with an inclination one way or another. Gay sex was considered a fringe benefit of having money and status.
 
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