NFL Nation: 4 Downs -- NFC East

[Doomsday]

A few less turnovers? The guy had better than a 3:1 ratio. It doesn't get better than.

It's all about the timing of them.

Nevertheless, my point stands. A couple less at crucial times, and a couple less fumbles - and maybe just maybe some more points off the turnovers this worst defense ever kept giving the offense, and yeah. This team is 11-5. It's not a fucking stretch to say that.

 

[marionbarberthe4th]

If that had happened what would be the cause of such a good record? Who's getting the credit this time

 

[Doomsday]

If that had happened what would be the cause of such a good record? Who's getting the credit this time

The team isn't as bad as people make out. There's room for optimism. In this age of parity where few teams are really successful, lots of 7-9, 8-8 and 9-7 teams out there, it's not that wild of a idea that Dallas could go 11-5 or even that crazy of a thought they could have some playoff success.

What's the saying? Success has many fathers, failure has none?

 

[marionbarberthe4th]

You didn't answer the question you're losing my interest

 

[Doomsday]

You didn't answer the question you're losing my interest

That's okay, I'm not here to entertain you and not in the habit of answering questions based on claims never made.

 

[Doomsday]

If we would have gone 11-5 last year with the historically bad defense, Garrett's a genius suddenly, right?

 

[Sheik]

It's all about the timing of them.

Nevertheless, my point stands. A couple less at crucial times, and a couple less fumbles - and maybe just maybe some more points off the turnovers this worst defense ever kept giving the offense, and yeah. This team is 11-5. It's not a fucking stretch to say that.

He only threw interceptions in 2 losses last year.

oops.

 

[Doomsday]

He only threw interceptions in 2 losses last year.

oops.

Good thing that wasn't the only meter.

Romobama - can't say anything negative about him even if true - especially if true! Or even if it's not him specifically you're talking about!

That's what's so funny about what I said, never mentioned Romo at all.

 

[Doomsday]

A interception or two less at crucial times
A fumble or two less at crucial times
Maybe some points off all the turnovers this horrible defense gave the offense
Maybe a couple less games where third down success was abysmal, 3 for 13 and crap

And this team is 11-5.

 

[Sheik]

NoDak brought up QB play, to which you said less turnovers would have made a difference.

Your favorite QB only threw interceptions in two losses last year, so I would think your reasoning for this teams failures is a little misguided when it comes to placing blame in the QB.

I mean, who woulda thought the turnover machine only threw interceptions in 2 of the 7 losses he participated in?

 

[Doomsday]

NoDak brought up QB play, to which you said less turnovers would have made a difference.

Your favorite QB only threw interceptions in two losses last year, so I would think your reasoning for this teams failures is a little misguided when it comes to placing blame in the QB.

I mean, who woulda thought the turnover machine only threw interceptions in 2 of the 7 losses he participated in?

I never brought up Romo at all. The reflexive defense of him when not even mentioned is sort of fun to watch. It's almost like a man crush thing.

Hell I'll even throw in to my list: One or two less key injuries. So the list goes:

A interception or two less at crucial times
A fumble or two less at crucial times
Maybe some points off all the turnovers this horrible defense gave the offense
Maybe a couple less games where third down success was abysmal, 3 for 13 and crap
Maybe a couple less key injuries

And this team is 11-5.​

You can reasonably argue with that? Or are you even reading it?

 

[Sheik]

A interception or two less at crucial times
A fumble or two less at crucial times
Maybe some points off all the turnovers this horrible defense gave the offense
Maybe a couple less games where third down success was abysmal, 3 for 13 and crap

And this team is 11-5.

If you can't pin losses on turnovers, you hold one player responsible for offensive ineptitude?

Or maybe you aren't placing more blame on Romo than any other player?

 

[Doomsday]

If you can't pin losses on turnovers, you hold one player responsible for offensive ineptitude?

Or maybe you aren't placing more blame on Romo than any other player?

Look at the list, Man. It is a list of why we are 8-8 instead of 11-5. It doesn't mention specific players like fumble machine Dunbar, or drop prone Austin. It doesn't mention Orton's last career throw.

It's not a knock on anyone. It's just pointing out this team - in today's NFL - isn't all that bad as most people believe. They're just a play here, a play there, a key injury avoided here, a extra first down there, from having a respectable record.

 

[Sheik]

I never brought up Romo at all. The reflexive defense of him when not even mentioned is sort of fun to watch. It's almost like a man crush thing.

Hell I'll even throw in to my list: One or two less key injuries. So the list goes:

A interception or two less at crucial times
A fumble or two less at crucial times
Maybe some points off all the turnovers this horrible defense gave the offense
Maybe a couple less games where third down success was abysmal, 3 for 13 and crap
Maybe a couple less key injuries

And this team is 11-5.​

You can reasonably argue with that? Or are you even reading it?

I think I understand your argument.

The defense was all-time bad last year, like the worst ever, but let's not focus on the defense.

If the offense, that put up tons of points and yards and didn't finish ranked all-time bad, if they did more, the team would be 11-5?

I read you clearly.

I just can't get over how someone can blame the offense for being 8-8 when the defense set dubious records week in and week out.

 

[Doomsday]

The defense was all-time bad last year, like the worst ever, but let's not focus on the defense.

Let's get some fucking points off some of the turnovers it provided. Let's give them some help with a couple less games where we are 3/13 on fucking third down. Let's not have some of the key injuries it had.

You're laying it all on the defense in a game where it provided FIVE turnovers no points came off of, and forced four punts, while the offense just kept giving it right back? By going fucking 3-11 or some shit, on third down?

 

[Doomsday]

I think I understand your argument.

The argument is, this team is NOT all as bad as people like to believe.

 

[Sheik]

Let's get some fucking points off some of the turnovers it provided. Let's give them some help with a couple less games where we are 3/13 on fucking third down. Let's not have some of the key injuries it had.

You're laying it all on the defense in a game where it provided FIVE turnovers no points came off of, and forced four punts, while the offense just kept giving it right back? By going fucking 3-11 or some shit, on third down?

Stafford was picked twice, bush and cj each lost a fumble. Where did the 5th turnover come from? Not saying you're wrong, just looking at that game and not seeing the other turnover.

I think I know why the offense had trouble sustaining drives against Detroit. Joseph fucking Randle. We had a whopping 26 yards of keeping the defense honest against the pass. Romo and the passing game did okay. Run game less than 2 ypc isn't going to do it.

 

[Sheik]

The argument is, this team is NOT all as bad as people like to believe.

The defense is absolutely as bad as people think they are until they prove they aren't.

The defense alone kept this team from winning 2-4 more games.

 

[Doomsday]

Stafford was picked twice, bush and cj each lost a fumble. Where did the 5th turnover come from? Not saying you're wrong, just looking at that game and not seeing the other turnover.

I think I know why the offense had trouble sustaining drives against Detroit. Joseph fucking Randle. We had a whopping 26 yards of keeping the defense honest against the pass. Romo and the passing game did okay. Run game less than 2 ypc isn't going to do it.

The defense alone kept this team from winning 2-4 more games.

Overall point still stands. Randle is in why? Injuries. Dallas' offense only ranks 16th in the league? injuries.

Would it shock you to find out Dallas ranked 29th most healthy team in 2013, and the defensive line was more than 70% of it?

There's a annual study that correlates games lost due to injury, and in injuries alone Dallas could have won three more games than it did.

Most of your horrible defensive performance was due to injuries.

It doesn't matter the reason we had games where we kept giving the ball back, keeping our defense in jeopardy, amplifying the problem it had. The point is if you give us just a handful of plays back, we're 11-5 anyway, injuries and all.

 

[Rock Slamdance]

It was brutal losing Ben Bass and Ernie Sims.