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The facts shoot holes in Obama's claim that US is only host to mass killings

John Lott

By John R. Lott
·Published December 03, 2015
· FoxNews.com

On Tuesday, President Obama stunned Americans and French alike with his false claims about gun violence in America. "I say this every time we’ve got one of these mass shootings. This just doesn’t happen in other countries,” claimed Obama. It is a claim that he has continually repeated over the years.

Talk about being self-absorbed.

The French have witnessed three mass public shootings this year. January saw two attacks, one on the Charlie Hebdo magazine and another on a Paris supermarket.

In the November attacks, 129 people were killed and 352 were injured. In just 2015, France suffered more casualties – killings and injuries – from mass public shootings than the U.S. has suffered during Obama’s entire presidency (508 to 424). This number includes the San Bernandino massacre on Wednesday.


In just 2015, France suffered more casualties – killings and injuries – from mass public shootings than the U.S. has suffered during Obama’s entire presidency (508 to 424). This number includes the San Bernandino massacre on Wednesday.

Obama also overlooks Norway, where Anders Behring Breivik used a gun to kill 67 people and wound 110 others. Still others were killed by bombs that Breivik detonated. Of the four worst K-12 school shootings, three have occurred in Europe. Germany had two of these — one in 2002 at Erfut and another in 2009 at Winnenden, with a total death toll of 34.

Obama isn’t correct even if he meant the frequency of fatalities or attacks. Many European countries actually have higher rates of death from public shootings that resulted in four or more murders. It’s simply a matter of adjusting for America’s much larger population.

Let’s look at mass public shootings from 2009 to the middle of June this year. To compare fairly with American shootings, I excluded attacks that might be better classified as struggles over sovereignty. For instance, I did not count the 22 people killed in the Macedonian town of Kumanovo last month.

Norway had the highest annual death rate, with 2 mass public shooting fatalities per million people. Macedonia had a rate of 0.38, Serbia 0.28, Slovakia 0.20, Finland 0.14, Belgium 0.14, and the Czech Republic 0.13. The US comes in No. 8 with 0.095 mass public shooting fatalities per million people. Austria and Switzerland are close behind.

In terms of the frequency of attacks, the United States ranks ninth, with 0.09 attacks per million people. Macedonia, Serbia, Switzerland, Norway, Slovakia, Finland, Belgium, and the Czech Republic all had higher rates.

There are two other studies on these questions that have gotten a fair amount of attention.

One, by State University of New York-Oswego public justice professor Jaclyn Schildkraut and Texas State University researcher H. Jaymi Elsass, who look at shootings across countries, has left out a large number of shootings in other countries.

Yet, despite the extensive news coverage their study has received, they miss a lot of cases. For example, in France, they miss three mass public shootings:

— Tours, France, October 29, 2001: four people were killed and 10 wounded when a French railway worker started killing people at a busy intersection in the city.

— Nanterre, France, March 27, 2002: a man kills eight city councilors after a city council meeting.

— Toulouse, France, March 19, 2012, Mohammed Merah killed four people (the killer also killed people in Montauban, France).

Other cases are missed in such countries as Austria, Belgium, Finland, Netherlands, Italy, Macedonia, Spain, Switzerland and Slovakia.

It takes a lot of time and effort to find all the cases, but if you get all the attacks in the U.S. and miss those in other countries, it makes the U.S. look a lot worse.

Another by Lankford reportedly goes back to 1966, but while he shares his study with reporters, he requires that they don’t share it with researchers in the area and, despite the wide publicity given his findings, he has repeatedly turned down requests by myself to see his research.

The president’s statement was also limited in another sense. He was referring only to shootings in his statement, but bombs are frequently used elsewhere in the world.

The Boston Marathon bombing was a rare exception these days in the United States. But countries such as Russia have frequently suffered bombings. Indeed, since 2009, the nation has seen 1.31 deaths per million from bombings that caused four or more fatalities.

Between 2007 and 2011, there was an average of 6,282 terrorist attacks per year outside of Iraq, Afghanistan and the U.S. On average, more than 27,000 people were killed, injured or kidnapped each year.

Obama keeps using these attacks to advocate requiring background checks on private transfers of guns. Such a requirement, however, already exists in France and almost all of Europe.

The background checks failed. So, too, did France and Belgium’s complete bans on the weapons used in those attacks. The terrorists who attacked those countries still got the weapons that they wanted.

Of the people stopped by background checks, nearly all are people who should have been allowed to buy guns. These delays may be mere inconveniences for most people, but they can endanger the lives of people who are being stalked and need immediate protection.

There is another common factor between mass public shootings. Virtually all of the attacks in America and Europe are taking place where general citizens can’t carry guns for protection. At some point, it has to become apparent to gun control advocates that gun-free zones only protect the killers.

Can Obama actually believe his claim that these attacks “just doesn’t happen in other countries”? More likely, Obama is willing to go to any extreme as he pushes for European-type gun control. The last thing he wants to admit is that countries with such strict gun-control laws can have so many deadly attacks.



John R. Lott, Jr. is a columnist for FoxNews.com. He is an economist and was formerly chief economist at the United States Sentencing Commission. Lott is also a leading expert on guns and op-eds on that issue are done in conjunction with the Crime Prevention Research Center. He is the author of eight books including "More Guns, Less Crime." His latest book is "Dumbing Down the Courts: How Politics Keeps the Smartest Judges Off the Bench" Bascom Hill Publishing Group (September 17, 2013). Follow him on Twitter@johnrlottjr
 

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Yeah never mind if the guys research is accurate or anything right CMD?
 

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I suppose you'd have paid closer attention if I had said "quote from Obama" or "research by Huffington Post"
 

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So, when it is the exact same report and the exact same facts and figures, you dismiss it if you don't like the source?

AP stories that all networks pick up, they're only accurate if they're not on FNC?

If FNC reported Garrett was fired, you wouldn't believe it until you saw it on Sportscenter?

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Fox News plays fast and loose with the facts. I'm not saying they are the only ones who do that, but as far as I'm concerned, they have done it far too many times to be credible anymore.

For years, the media in general has been considered "liberal". Fox takes their Republican, big business agenda to new extremes.
 

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Fox News plays fast and loose with the facts. I'm not saying they are the only ones who do that, but as far as I'm concerned, they have done it far too many times to be credible anymore.
Dude. When they cite a AP report, it's the AP report that's either factual or not factual. Their original reporting isn't even at question with this, they're basically taking this off the wire and reporting it.
For years, the media in general has been considered "liberal". Fox takes their Republican, big business agenda to new extremes.
It's no longer "considered" liberal, it's admittedly so. As far as Fox goes, there's quite a difference between original news reporting, and commentary by show hosts. Most people either don't get that distinction, or don't want to. For example:

Sean Hannity is not a Fox News reporter. He is a independent commentator who hosts a show on FNC and it's his own commentary, it's not FNC's commentary. It's not news reporting.

Same with Rachel Maddow on CNN.

News reporting isn't commentary.
 

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Fox News plays fast and loose with the facts. I'm not saying they are the only ones who do that, but as far as I'm concerned, they have done it far too many times to be credible anymore.

For years, the media in general has been considered "liberal". Fox takes their Republican, big business agenda to new extremes.

FOX is more in the middle than any of the other new outlets, because the others like NBC, CNN, CBS etc etc are so far left, anything in the "middle" will seem "far right" to them.

I think its pretty much been proven by unbiased third parties that news outlets like NBC, CBS, CNN etc etc have been EXTREMELY left biased for quite some time now.
 

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Oh, I see. When you say media outlets lean left it's true and when I say Fox News leans right it's not true. How very Fox News of you.

Both sides have business backings, no one is disputing that.

I apologize. I don't want to debate or discuss politics here because I lose a lot of faith in people I normally consider intelligent, not including the OP of course. He's a dumbass in all aspects.
 
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Thread hijacked. Well done.

If there's a question re: the integrity of the report, it shouldn't be too hard to verify. Do research on mass shootings worldwide and see what pops up.

If what you find doesn't jive with the op report, then discuss.

But don't just dismiss an easily verifiable report because you don't like the source.
 

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CMD's idea of trusted news reporting



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most conservatives will readily admit that FOX leans right (duh), but libs refuse to admit their shit smells just as bad. that's what pisses me off.
 

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This shit is crystal clear, regardless of your news source and politics.

If an act of war causes you to bicker with fellow targets and question your freedoms, you’re well on your way toward losing that war. Talking points of do not rush to characterize (identify) the acts and actors, while characterizing American citizens and the associations they run as potential causes, to put it nicely, is a sure sign your nation has jumped the shark.

This attack, and the psychotropic drug induced attacks that have been growing have nothing to do with our allowances and everything to do with the fact that every aspect of our country has been compromised. The one thing everyone is afraid to admit is the very thing everyone is vulnerable to: we’ve been sold out by our own people. Top down, from government to information disseminators; drug companies and tech giants and entertainment avenues. They control everything reported, how it's reported and the time its reported. Laugh at Fox, laugh at HuffPo, they're both laughing at you.

All the traitors have to do is lie and everybody can convince themselves that their instincts might be mistaken and go back to their regularly scheduled self-induced coma.
 
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...and speaking of the media and one-sided networks:

One of the most bizarre and possibly irresponsible and craven scenes in media history just unfurled on MSNBC and CNN as reporters from both networks (and a handful of others), during a live broadcast, toured the apartment of the San Bernardino Islamic terrorists. While a MSNBC reporter rummaged through the deceased terrorists’ closets and boxes and photo albums, Andrea Mitchell reassured viewers that the disturbing scene was okay. “The landlord told us authorities were done with the crime scene,” she said.

According to the landlord, though, this was not the case. When he opened the door, reporters rushed into the apartment, possibly contaminating one of the most important crime scenes in years.


Grasswire reached out to the San Bernardino sheriff’s department and were told that the apartment is still an active crime scene and not cleared for the media.

While CNN was digging through the place, law enforcement guests on the network were furious at what they were witnessing: “Never have I seen anything like this. … I’m shaking right now. … Where is the fingerprint dust you see after a crime scene is worked? … This was the destruction of a crime scene … A crime scene for a terrorist mass-murder has been turned into a rummage sale.”

Truly they have you best interests at heart, gais!

MSNBC Crew member:

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