Kubiak fired in Houston

[boozeman]

Would make an awesome OC for Tony...

Not sure about that.

He called nothing but empty set shit constantly last night even after putting that loser Schaub back in .

 

[boozeman]

they couldn't let him finish out the year? it's not like Wade is the future and they want to get a good look at him.

You would think so, but he benched Keenum last night and even praised Schaub last night.

Then McNair comes out and says Keenum is the starter going forward today.

Maybe he was loyal too to Schaub and it cost him.

 

[marionbarberthe4th]

Steve McNair ?

 

[Jon88]

Steve McNair dead

 

[UVAwahoos]

Kubiak was never a very good coach. His teams were stacked for a couple seasons and always underperformed. This is why I hate that whole "continuity of coaching" argument. If your coach is shitty then it doesn't do much good to continue with his system and errors, especially when guys like Harbaugh, Carroll, Arians, etc. have proven that rebuilding isn't a lengthy process in the nfl anymore.

Houston has fallen off bigtime as a premier destination now though. Injured TE, extremely old WR1, no WR2 or 3, hobbled/aging RB1, no QB, shitty oline and a very shitty secondary are all the great things you'll inherit there.

 

[cmd34(work)]

Houston has fallen off bigtime as a premier destination now though. Injured TE, extremely old WR1, no WR2 or 3, hobbled/aging RB1, no QB, shitty oline and a very shitty secondary are all the great things you'll inherit there.

If they don't get the big name HC they should go young up and comer..then draft their new QB, dump Schaub's contract, and I would trade Andre Johnson for a few picks.

 

[Omegasupreme]

Wade Phillips gets the job, Texans win Super Bowl in 2014.

Kubiak gets the Cowboys job over a fired Garrett after this season, Romo wins league MVP in 2014. If mismanaged talent and ignorant team direction produces 8-8 on the brink of the playoffs for several years, what would talent specific scheming and intelligent team direction for roughly the same players produce?

 

[Omegasupreme]

Not sure about that.

He called nothing but empty set shit constantly last night even after putting that loser Schaub back in .

He is from a Shanahan WCO who prioritized a successful running game in a strong passing scheme. Foster and Tate; but more importantly the principle of quick passes to get the ball in the hands of the strong running skill position players. Perfect for Dallas talent right now.

To contrast, if Dallas had a bunch of speedy smurfs at WR, the by all means I would welcome the vertical offense. But quickness and vertical speed are just not on the menu of this offense.

 

[ThoughtExperiment]

Kubiak was never a very good coach. His teams were stacked for a couple seasons and always underperformed.

Eh, I don't agree with that. Not saying he's a great coach by any means, but I don't think they were ever that stocked with talent. To get a team with a JAG QB like Schaub to 10-6 and 12-4 and two playoff wins is pretty good, because I don't think they really have that many great players other than Johnson and Watt... Duane Brown is good. Cushing is good but he's always hurt. Joseph is a good cover guy but as big a wuss non-tackling CB as there is. Personally, I don't think Foster is even that great. Good talent, but weird guy with a questionable attitude, and of course he was hurt all this year. They have JAG type guys all over the place.

I still think that system is the only thing that made them look so good on offense. Schaub wouldn't have lasted six games in Ginger's Zampese system or most others.

 

[dbair1967]

I'm more worried about my boy Sumlin taking this job over the USC stuff. Hopefully this proven head coach stuff isn't just a smoke screen.

thought I heard where his new deal keeps him in place for 2 yrs at least there before he can leave for any job

 

[dbair1967]

Kubiak was never a very good coach. His teams were stacked for a couple seasons and always underperformed. This is why I hate that whole "continuity of coaching" argument. If your coach is shitty then it doesn't do much good to continue with his system and errors, especially when guys like Harbaugh, Carroll, Arians, etc. have proven that rebuilding isn't a lengthy process in the nfl anymore.

Houston has fallen off bigtime as a premier destination now though. Injured TE, extremely old WR1, no WR2 or 3, hobbled/aging RB1, no QB, shitty oline and a very shitty secondary are all the great things you'll inherit there.

I agree with the bolded statement 100%

He should have been shitcanned several years ago.

 

[dbair1967]

Kubiak gets the Cowboys job over a fired Garrett after this season, Romo wins league MVP in 2014. If mismanaged talent and ignorant team direction produces 8-8 on the brink of the playoffs for several years, what would talent specific scheming and intelligent team direction for roughly the same players produce?

gee I dunno, 11 straight losses and your ass canned?

 

[UVAwahoos]

Eh, I don't agree with that. Not saying he's a great coach by any means, but I don't think they were ever that stocked with talent. To get a team with a JAG QB like Schaub to 10-6 and 12-4 and two playoff wins is pretty good, because I don't think they really have that many great players other than Johnson and Watt... Duane Brown is good. Cushing is good but he's always hurt. Joseph is a good cover guy but as big a wuss non-tackling CB as there is. Personally, I don't think Foster is even that great. Good talent, but weird guy with a questionable attitude, and of course he was hurt all this year. They have JAG type guys all over the place.

I still think that system is the only thing that made them look so good on offense. Schaub wouldn't have lasted six games in Ginger's Zampese system or most others.

You've obviously been dealing with Ginger for too long if you think a team in the salary cap era (and even beforehand in some cases) needs more than 4-5 great players to have sustained success.

You also seem to have a pretty selective memory about Schaub. He was actually quite serviceable up until just this season and had even led the league in passing yards for a season or two. I'm never one to make excuses for shitty coaches because I've seen above-average-to-great coaches take injury-riddled teams to the Super Bowl with pretty meh QBs like Hostetler, Rypien, Brad Johnson, Chris Chandler, Eli the re re TWICE, and Joe I Blow Flacco. The other Harbaugh probably could have gotten shitty Alex Smith there too, so in that sense, Kubiak really underperformed. Particularly because he's supposed to be some offensive genius who hand-picked Schaub to begin with. It's even worse that Kubiak couldn't do more in that shitty post-Peyton Manning division and overall weak conference. Straight fail.

He also definitely would have fucked up and picked Reggie Bush over Mario because shitty offensive coaches just love to stock up on little toys like spoiled rich kids. This is also why Ginger keeps saying "daddy can you scout tight ends so that i can be like teh Belichick cuz I went on a boat with Jimmy once too so I'm totes awesome"

Houston is a great example of what Dallas has in store. Once our Parcells talent starts to really age and break down, we'll also be looking at a nice little 2-11 record with a shitty coach who never should have got the job and was allowed to stay around about 5 years too long. The difference is that they seem to have an owner who's sane enough to maybe get the problem fixed.

 

[cmd34]

we'll also be looking at a nice little 2-11 record with a shitty coach who never should have got the job and was allowed to stay around about 5 years too long

how f'ing depressing will that be?

especially since you know Jerry will be clamoring to draft whatever version of Johnny Football is available that year.

 

[JBond]

how f'ing depressing will that be?

especially since you know Jerry will be clamoring to draft whatever version of Johnny Baseball is available that year.

fixed

 

[ThoughtExperiment]

You also seem to have a pretty selective memory about Schaub. He was actually quite serviceable up until just this season and had even led the league in passing yards for a season or two.

No, that's pretty much what I am saying. What allowed that merely "serviceable" QB to do so well? Kubiak's system. I don't think anyone else could have gotten any more out of that group of exactly one great player. I've watched them several times the last few years because we get all their games here and it's amazing how wide open receivers get in that system, both WRs and TEs. We never see that with our offense.

But bottom line, I don't think they were that overwhelmingly talented. I think going 12-4 and losing to the Patriots in New England is about all you could expect from them. And you can't forget that in 2011 they played the last, what, five or six games with their third string rookie QB and still won a playoff game. Can you imagine if we had to start Tanney or whoever for the last third of the season?

Don't get me wrong, I'm not calling him some great coach. I do think he's damn good on offense, though. Not because he's some great innovator like a Kelly or some of these spread guys, but because he teaches that system so well.

 

[Omegasupreme]

gee I dunno, 11 straight losses and your ass canned?

I meant roughly the same Dallas players; meaning Kubiak inheriting the role players that Garrett has clumsily led in the last few years. Can't argue with your point about his losses and losing his job, but I would argue that if he is an upgrade in offensive production, turning yards into points and plays into overall game management (which has been the debilitating deficits of Garrett), then this team would be perennial postseason contenders. Even this year, KC,SD, Detroit, and Denver were Dallas's games to lose and they did by not managing a lead and giving the ball back to the other team.

When I think of the Shanahan WCO, the strength seems to be creating a productive running game out of virtually any Mike Anderson, Tatum Bell, Olandis Gary, Rueben Draughns, Portis, etc. When there is chaos in Dallas offense right now, it starts with an inability to manage a run game, and then turns to panic. Foster and Tate were success stories in that Texan offense.

 

[UVAwahoos]

Can you imagine if we had to start Tanney or whoever for the last third of the season?

Jaguars would look like the all-madden team against us.

As to your other point, I think this is a fine example of how good-to-great coordinator doesn't necessarily equate to a great head coach.

 

[LAZARUS_LOGAN]

Houston is a great example of what Dallas has in store. Once our Parcells talent starts to really age and break down, we'll also be looking at a nice little 2-11 record with a shitty coach who never should have got the job and was allowed to stay around about 5 years too long. The difference is that they seem to have an owner who's sane enough to maybe get the problem fixed.

When you look at it objectively, one has to admire what Wade accomplished when you consider the circumstances he was under. He was a co-HC. He had to share power with a Ginger fuck who never coached at that level in his life, but got it because of the hype of his Ivy League degree. When Wade left, Garrett had more power than what Wade had. I really hate the way they did Wade. Did Wade have to go? Yeah probably. But we cannot help but wonder that had Wade had total control and not be undermined by his "co-HC", and owner/GM, but was aloud to have his own OC, as to what could have been. Doubt the OC of Wade's choosing would have been any worse.

 

[boozeman]

When you look at it objectively, one has to admire what Wade accomplished when you consider the circumstances he was under. He was a co-HC. He had to share power with a Ginger fuck who never coached at that level in his life, but got it because of the hype of his Ivy League degree. When Wade left, Garrett had more power than what Wade had. I really hate the way they did Wade. Did Wade have to go? Yeah probably. But we cannot help but wonder that had Wade had total control and not be undermined by his "co-HC", and owner/GM, but was aloud to have his own OC, as to what could have been. Doubt the OC of Wade's choosing would have been any worse.

Eff Fat Wade. He inherited a pretty talented team and ran it into the ground.

While Garrett has Jerry's ear more, you can't pretend he had zero input. He was the mastermind behind the Jason Williams pick.