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Or, it means you were right in getting the next coach who's gonna lead the team to glory.....[wink]
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Wade didn't get a shitty deal. He was a scrub and a failed HC who was hired because he was a yes man to keep the position warm for Garrett who was nipping at his heals. Garrett was here before Wade. Wade knew exactly what he was getting into and it's not like anyone was knocking down his door to hire him as a HC.
And he was the ultimate cupcake and the last game against the Packers when Wade was here looked nothing like yesterday.
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I think he got 30-32 mils for 5 yrs, so he owes him 4/5th of that.
That's pretty much nothing for the Jones', especially if he sees his stadium half empty for these next two games.
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Compared to Garrett, yes Wade did get a shitty deal.. Not sure how or why anyone would argue otherwise.
Wade had 3 winning seasons and 2 division titles in 3 years. Garrett only one of each and it took him to his 4th season to achieve it.
Both lose their starting QBs. Wade gets fired at 1-7. Garrett loses 7 straight and is still HC.
Don't get confused. I'm not saying Wade didn't deserve to get fired. He did. But so does Garrett (as he did after the three 8-8s). Only problem is Garrett can get away with murder here and Wade couldn't.
Oh and those same Packers you brought up for some reason also won the SB that year.
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I hated Wade with a passion. He was too soft, imo.
That said, he's had the most impressive résumé of any Dallas coach since Jimmy if we're just talking wins and losses. At the same time, he was treated like absolute shit.
I think some of that is his own fault. Anyone with an ounce of self respect would have told Jerry to fuck himself instead keeping Garrett's job warm until he was deemed ready for it. He was set up to be the scapegoat as soon as shit went bad. The players knew it, and that says something about the character of the players that quit on the guy when they were supposed to.
Pretty sad when you look back on that whole thing. He was a
That said, he's had the most impressive résumé of any Dallas coach since Jimmy if we're just talking wins and losses. At the same time, he was treated like absolute shit.
I think some of that is his own fault. Anyone with an ounce of self respect would have told Jerry to fuck himself instead keeping Garrett's job warm until he was deemed ready for it. He was set up to be the scapegoat as soon as shit went bad. The players knew it, and that says something about the character of the players that quit on the guy when they were supposed to.
Pretty sad when you look back on that whole thing. He was a
The suspense is killing me....
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Yeah, from the very start, Wade was just a guy to keep the seat warm. That's why Jerry almost named Garrett HC back in 2007 but decided that was too big a jump to take. That's why he rejected Norv after almost hiring him -- he wanted Jason to have total control of the offense and Norv wouldn't go for that.
I don't think Wade realized that, though. I remember one time early on he said something along the lines of, "Jerry would let me fire Jason if I wanted to" and then joked, "At least I think so." And then when Wade was canned, some reporter asked Jerry about it and Jerry said, "No, that would not have happened. It just wouldn't have happened." Meaning Jason was Jerry's HC in waiting all along.
It's also why Jason had no loyalty to Wade. He didn't work for him, he worked for Jerry. I started hating Garrett back then when he wouldn't own up to any mistakes on offense, and when the Garrett fans in the media started blaming even the offense on Wade (he won't let them hit enough, he's not disciplinarian enough, Jason wants to coach them harder but doesn't out of respect for Wade etc.), he never ever had his head coach's back.
But to him, why should he? He worked for Jerry, not Wade. And he knew that any and all crap Wade got only helped him because the job was basically promised to him.
The whole thing is an absolute clusterfuck. Sometimes I feel like Jerry made a bet with someone like the old men in Trading Places. Jerry thought he could take anyone and make them into a head coach. Which is exactly what Jerry did think, because he's never respected the position of head coach. He's always thought the players were everything and the coach was just a glorified administrative assistant.
He needs to get out that one dollar bill and admit he was wrong, but of course that won't happen.
I don't think Wade realized that, though. I remember one time early on he said something along the lines of, "Jerry would let me fire Jason if I wanted to" and then joked, "At least I think so." And then when Wade was canned, some reporter asked Jerry about it and Jerry said, "No, that would not have happened. It just wouldn't have happened." Meaning Jason was Jerry's HC in waiting all along.
It's also why Jason had no loyalty to Wade. He didn't work for him, he worked for Jerry. I started hating Garrett back then when he wouldn't own up to any mistakes on offense, and when the Garrett fans in the media started blaming even the offense on Wade (he won't let them hit enough, he's not disciplinarian enough, Jason wants to coach them harder but doesn't out of respect for Wade etc.), he never ever had his head coach's back.
But to him, why should he? He worked for Jerry, not Wade. And he knew that any and all crap Wade got only helped him because the job was basically promised to him.
The whole thing is an absolute clusterfuck. Sometimes I feel like Jerry made a bet with someone like the old men in Trading Places. Jerry thought he could take anyone and make them into a head coach. Which is exactly what Jerry did think, because he's never respected the position of head coach. He's always thought the players were everything and the coach was just a glorified administrative assistant.
He needs to get out that one dollar bill and admit he was wrong, but of course that won't happen.
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Garrett should get fired just as Wade got fired. Just because Garrett is still employed doesn't mean Wade got a shitty deal. He needed to go. He was a scrub and a true cupcake. Those games were horrific when wade was here. The team was absolutely rudderless. Wade knew what he was getting into, just like Garrett knew. I'm not going to feel sorry for either one of them. Wade was a bad hire, just like Garrett was.
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Which is why I have little sympathy for Wade. Wade knew he'd never get another HC gig and took one last shot. He sold his soul and had to cater to Garrett. He was neutered when he had to fire Brian Stewart, not that I think he was all that, but the HC makes that call, not Jerry. Wade had no self respect and the team saw right through it. Funny thing is that Norv was a failed HC as well, not to mention a respected coordinator (just like Wade) but Norv had the balls to tell Jerry to fuck off.
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Oh I don't feel sorry for Wade either. The team did quit, and if that happens -- his fault or not -- the coach has to go.
Only thing I think he got a little raw deal on was the way the media treated him those first three years going 13-3, 9-7, 11-5 with two division titles in a NFCE much better than this current shitshow. It's amazing the difference between the way they treated him and the way they treat Garrett. But I guess that's what happens when you present yourself well and have lots of friends in the business.
But none of that was to say Wade shouldn't have been fired. Just that Garrett should be also.
Only thing I think he got a little raw deal on was the way the media treated him those first three years going 13-3, 9-7, 11-5 with two division titles in a NFCE much better than this current shitshow. It's amazing the difference between the way they treated him and the way they treat Garrett. But I guess that's what happens when you present yourself well and have lots of friends in the business.
But none of that was to say Wade shouldn't have been fired. Just that Garrett should be also.
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Yeah Jerry backed himself into the corner, because the terms to get Garrett out of Miami only held up if 1) Garrett were going to be HC and/or 2) He was the offensive coordinator AND play caller.
I think Jerry really wanted to hire Norv, but when Norv learned Garrett had to call plays he responded by telling Jones that "he wasn't ready"
EVERYBODY thought it was Norv's job, even several of the 90's players like Aikman, Irvin, Emmitt and Moose. They all thought it was a done deal.
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damn, Id love to know the full story of how and why that blew up in flames, I was so pissed.
Always some bullshit coming out of valley ranch
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Funny story about Wade, me and some buddies were eating at Houstons (now Hillstone) when he was still coach, we were all ripping him to death, as I got up to leave, I glanced at the booth next to us (backing up to where I was sitting) and guess who was sitting there?
Felt kind of bad about that, we must have bitched about him for 30 minutes straight, he had to have heard us.
Felt kind of bad about that, we must have bitched about him for 30 minutes straight, he had to have heard us.
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