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yimyammer
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I feel the same way and its one of the reasons I shocked folks by saying Jerry should just give him a 10 year contract and focus on making things work with Garrett. Its not that I have 100% confidence in Garrett, but I believe he's on the right track and is probably the best guy available to work within the Cowboys crazy GM/organizational structure.
Jerry is the one that has harped for years about how Joe Gibbs told him its better for the head coach if he also coordinates. So how do we know Garrett is being stubborn vs Jerry requiring Garrett to be OC?
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Damn that is in tribute to my uncle that passed 3 weeks ago. He wasn't a very good looking dude but he was a helluva nice guy.
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You've been sucked, too.
Is it the Ivy League degree or the constant cute smirk that makes you think he can coach?
Genuinely curious about this.
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He might be impressed by the extremely fertile parents. A Chinese family wet dream. 15 robotic sons. If coaching doesnt work out (spoiler alert: it wont) just think of how many nikes and iPods they could make in a factory together.
They'd also be protected from the sun that way.
They'd also be protected from the sun that way.
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Before I start, I want to say I don't think the vast majority of people posting on forums are truly qualified or have the inside info to make an accurate judgement on this subject and that includes me, so I'm just spit-balling like everyone else.
With that said, pull up a chair, this is gonna be long, here are my thoughts:
I dont think its reasonable to imply or say Garrett can't coach. What everyone's concern is whether he's good enough to get the job done we all want done and if not is there someone better that can do the job?
Everything starts and ends with Jerry Jones and as a result, I don't think the Dallas Cowboys will ever have the best coaching and structure available as long as he's alive (I'm not going to get into all the reasons I think Jerry hurts the team, its been discussed ad nauseum & is a broken record subject, I'll just assume if you agree you'll know the reasons and if you're a Jerry fan, you'll think I'm nuts).
So what I am saying is I think Garrett gives the team the best chance to win given the albatross that is Jerry Jones. In other words, this is as good as its going to get folks, might as well roll with it because changing the coach every three years is a recipe for failure.
I believe continually changing coaches every three years is detrimental to the teams current and long term success and I think Garrett is good enough to roll with for the long term. I think the advantages gained from the continuity outweigh his areas of weakness (and lets be honest here folks, EVERY coach will have a weakness). The following is from an article I recently read that does a good job of illustrating the effects of coaching turnover (I recommend reading it in full as the writer does a good job making some unusual analysis---> LINK ):
Now in regard to Garrett's qualifications, Ivey league or cute smirk mean nothing to me, I think the following are good for the team and its potential for success:
* Garrett is not the idiot fans want to make him out to be. I refuse to believe that someone who has been around football his entire life, who's dad was a scout, who played in the NFL doesn't have a better than average understanding of what it takes to coach.
* His teams have consistently shown fight, competed and never quit like I saw under Wade, et al (I'm not saying this is good enough) and believe this is a key component that bodes well for the future).
* He is being creative in Team Building, example Navy Seals visit
* He wants to build a long-term, consistently successful program
* He is modeling the program after other great, successful teams like New England, Duke & Jimmy's Cowboys
* I think he is trying to build a full 53 man roster that can compete vs a starting 22 that they hope and pray can stay healthy and carry them through an entire season
* The team is rebuilding, they've turned over 64% of the roster since Garrett took over
* I think the players respect and respond well to him as evidenced by how the tragedy this year was handled.
* He seeks guidance from other successful coaches (Belichek does this as well in case anyone thinks this is a bad thing).
* I believe he has a unique ability/opportunity to influence Jerry for the good of the team
* I think he can work with Jerry better than coaches who's egos would clash
Here is an article that goes into more depth about what Garrett is trying to do
These are a few things that come to mind that I think bode well for the team and him as a coach.
Look, I don't think the man is perfect and certainly have doubts about his play calling and concerns over how conservative he seems, etc. I just think he brings enough to the table but his systems & philosophies will take time to implement. I think he has the right idea and is going in a direction I dream about seeing the Cowboys achieve (sustainable long term competitiveness and success year in and out), I think he will improve in areas where he is weak but I think its going to take time to realize his goals.
The one obvious benefit to having Jerry is his willingness to give everyone the finger and do what he wants despite all the criticism and outrage. This is one time where I hope he stays the course for the long term and Garrett eventually proves his worth.
Ironically, Jerry and his wild-catting ways may prove to be too impatient and he may end up chopping down the tree before it ever had a chance to grow.
Perfection is not an option people, so given the restraints any Dallas coach has to work within, I say ride out Garrett as long as possible. Hell, maybe even give him a long term extension to shut door on that discussion.
I'm not trying to be "right" here nor am I trying to "win" any arguments on the matter, these are simply one couch potatoes opinions, so take them for whatever their worth. I just want to see the Cowboys rise again and stay near the top for the long term and whatever it takes to achieve that, I'm all for.
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The work you did is impressive and I dont disagree with much, but I feel Garrets game planning, penalties and ability to adjust during the game is where he was weakest and in todays NFL where playoffs ared decided by maybe one win or loss. His inability to change the above listed is grounds for removal.
That said. It would have been nice to see what he could have done with a solid offensive line
That said. It would have been nice to see what he could have done with a solid offensive line
Great post, yimmyyammer. The best pro-Garrett attempt I've seen.
My biggest gripe with Garrett is his ego. By that, I mean, his inability to recognize that he needs help in a big way.
I think he'd be a fantastic CEO type coach. He has a good message. He seems like a good motivator - players have tweeted/commented about what great speeches he gives, etc. And I think he really knows what he wants in individual football players and is reshaping the roster appropriately.
But he needs strong coordinators. He needs to shed the offensive playcalling responsibilities. Because, quite frankly, he really sucks at it.
And I'm not going to argue individual playcalls. I know a lot of it has to do with execution. And I know it's hard to do much with this offensive line. What I'm tired of is the playclock always running down to 1 second before the ball is snapped, routinely preceded by Romo yelling KILL KILL KILL on like, 2/3rds of the plays.
If he gets a qualified coordinator, I think he can coach this team to some wins. But he's refused to do that previously, and he's blind to the problems we have. Considering how inept our offense has been, I find his comments that "we" feel him being in total control of the offense just as assinine as Jerry's comments that him being GM gives the team an advantage.
There needs to be a complete change. And if you're going to force a playcaller on Garrett, then you might as well fire the guy.
This is such a unique, shitty situation to be in. This team feels doomed.
My biggest gripe with Garrett is his ego. By that, I mean, his inability to recognize that he needs help in a big way.
I think he'd be a fantastic CEO type coach. He has a good message. He seems like a good motivator - players have tweeted/commented about what great speeches he gives, etc. And I think he really knows what he wants in individual football players and is reshaping the roster appropriately.
But he needs strong coordinators. He needs to shed the offensive playcalling responsibilities. Because, quite frankly, he really sucks at it.
And I'm not going to argue individual playcalls. I know a lot of it has to do with execution. And I know it's hard to do much with this offensive line. What I'm tired of is the playclock always running down to 1 second before the ball is snapped, routinely preceded by Romo yelling KILL KILL KILL on like, 2/3rds of the plays.
If he gets a qualified coordinator, I think he can coach this team to some wins. But he's refused to do that previously, and he's blind to the problems we have. Considering how inept our offense has been, I find his comments that "we" feel him being in total control of the offense just as assinine as Jerry's comments that him being GM gives the team an advantage.
There needs to be a complete change. And if you're going to force a playcaller on Garrett, then you might as well fire the guy.
This is such a unique, shitty situation to be in. This team feels doomed.
yimyammer yeah that was excellent. I completely agree with you about how it's a bad idea to keep changing coaches, but that's literally the only benefit I can see to keeping Garrett. I think maybe Jerry really wants it to work out and this is the last gasp - maybe Peete and Ryan were forced on Jason by Jerry and he's saying ok you have one last chance with ALL your own guys.
That amount of roster turnover is not unusual throughout the NFL over the course of two years, unless you've begun to rebuild in earnest and you're filling your team with young players on 3-4 year contracts.
That amount of roster turnover is not unusual throughout the NFL over the course of two years, unless you've begun to rebuild in earnest and you're filling your team with young players on 3-4 year contracts.
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Such a tired cliche. 5 of the 12 playoff teams this season have head coaches in their 1st or 2nd year on the job.
Sorry to the Ginger homers, but it's not some catastrophic ordeal to change coaches, particularly if your current coach has plateaued or continues to regress.