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Is the Cowboys' defense just not good?

December, 16, 2011 Dec 16 9:55AM
By Dan Graziano


Tim MacMahon of ESPNDallas.com has a column up, and it's about the Dallas Cowboys' defense. Specifically, it's about first-year defensive coordinator Rob Ryan, who Tim says is struggling to coach something out of the same cast of characters that helped get the previous coach and defensive coordinator, Wade Phillips, fired a little more than a year ago.

Tim's hypothesis is that maybe it's not the fault of the coach or the scheme in Dallas, but that maybe we've all been overrating the players the Cowboys have on the defensive side of the ball:

The truth is that this defense has three cornerstone players -- outside linebacker DeMarcus Ware, nose tackle Jay Ratliff and inside linebacker Sean Lee -- and a whole bunch of question marks. Throw a dart at the defensive depth chart and you're pretty much guaranteed to hit a draft need.

Cornerback Mike Jenkins has first-round talent and deserves credit for fighting through injuries all season, but he's on-again, off-again. Outside linebacker Anthony Spencer, another former first-round pick, has flashes of brilliance that are lost in long stretches of mediocrity.

Cornerback Terence Newman is way past his prime and looks like he's on his last legs after a few weeks of actually playing well enough to earn his massive contract earlier this season. Inside linebackers Bradie James and Keith Brooking are tough, old warriors whose glory days are long gone.

The rest of the defense is filled with JAGs, to borrow a term from Bill Parcells. The just-a-guy list includes safety Gerald Sensabaugh and [Orlando] Scandrick, even though they've been given five-year, $20-plus-million contract extensions this season.

It's an interesting point, for sure. Two years ago, when the Cowboys turned it on this time of year and won a division title, Spencer and Jenkins played like stars. They have not done so since, and as a result there are very few players on the Cowboys' defense who are. It's one thing when you have five or six guys playing like stars. It's quite another when you have only two or three.

The theory behind hiring Ryan was that the Cowboys underachieved on defense last season and needed a fresh voice to coax the talent out of all the talented players they already had in place. And while he's been able to get something out of Spencer and Jenkins (and, earlier in the season, Newman) that wasn't there a year ago, Tim's right that none of those guys is playing at a star-caliber level. Can they the rest of the way? Sure. We've seen it before for brief stretches with some of these same guys. But once this is all over, it seems the Cowboys are going to have to make some more serious and sober assessments of just what exactly they do have on defense.
 

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There's enough talent here to be better than this, but to answer the question, yes. Its just not any good.
 

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IMO the defense needs a traditional NT which will slide Ratliff over to DE and that fixes the no-pressure-from-DE's issue.

Another pass rushing threat at LOLB.

An ILB faster than me and hopefully Bruce Carter solves that.

Two better safeties but the "braintrust" is content with Sensabaugh, so 1 new safety.

A starting caliber CB to repalce Newman who will most likely be a cap casualty.

Most importantly, a new Secondary Coach.
 

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IMO the defense needs a traditional NT which will slide Ratliff over to DE and that fixes the no-pressure-from-DE's issue.

Another pass rushing threat at LOLB.

An ILB faster than me and hopefully Bruce Carter solves that.

Two better safeties but the "braintrust" is content with Sensabaugh, so 1 new safety.

A starting caliber CB to repalce Newman who will most likely be a cap casualty.

Most importantly, a new Secondary Coach.

Sensabaugh's contract doesnt ensure he's a starter. It isnt so much that they have no choce but to play him. But he is an average starter and resigning him means there's one less pressing hole to fill. The other safety spot is pure garbage though. How the hell can you play in a pass heavy league, start 13 games at FS and have a stat line that includes ZERO passes defensed and ZERO ints? And this is from the guy who was supposed to understand the scheme better than anyone here. the guy's on the field for probably 100% of our defensive snaps, and cant even knock down one fucking pass by accident?
 

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I got news for you dbair, Sensabaugh is garbage too.

But back to the article, having 2 or 3 stars on D is totally fine. The problem is when it's hard to find average help from the rest of the group, or at least some consistency.
 
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You guys keep mentioning that his contract isn't bad, and you are right, but the Cowboys didn't just give him a 5-year extension because they thought he was a solid back-up or a great special teamer. They gave it to him because they felt he was doing a bang-up job as a starter.
 
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They are poor blitzers. It's almost like wasting body on D.

They need a better athlete in the front 7. Melvin Ingram, Ta'amu, Burfict etc. Are a important as a new C/G
 

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I got news for you dbair, Sensabaugh is garbage too.

But back to the article, having 2 or 3 stars on D is totally fine, the problem is when it's hard to find average help from the rest of the group, or at least some consistency.

Consistency is the important part. Almost all players on D aside from Elam and the ancient ILBs have shown flashes of competency to excellence, even. They just can't maintain it.
 

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Consistency is the important part. Almost all players on D aside from Elam and the ancient ILBs have shown flashes of competency to excellence, even. They just can't maintain it.

Once Sam Hurd's drug ring is crushed, then maybe we'll see it.
 

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You guys keep mentioning that his contract isn't bad, and you are right, but the Cowboys didn't just give him a 5-year extension because they thought he was a solid back-up or a great special teamer. They gave it to him because they felt he was doing a bang-up job as a starter.

Now you are reaching. The contract extension doesnt mean they think he's great, or that he is doing a "bang up job" back there, maybe it means they've done some evaluations already of upcoming free agents and potential draftees, and dont see alot of OBVIOUS upgrades, especially if they see what anyone else can plainly see that Elam sux and has to be replaced.

I think some of you are being a little harsh on Sensabaugh though. Until he hurt his foot against Washington he was having a pretty decent year. Other than Jenkins he was probably outplaying all the other DB's on the team. When the foot injury happened it looked bad, but he has toughed it out and been able to play through it.
 

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Now you are reaching. The contract extension doesnt mean they think he's great, or that he is doing a "bang up job" back there, maybe it means they've done some evaluations already of upcoming free agents and potential draftees, and dont see alot of OBVIOUS upgrades, especially if they see what anyone else can plainly see that Elam sux and has to be replaced.

I think some of you are being a little harsh on Sensabaugh though. Until he hurt his foot against Washington he was having a pretty decent year. Other than Jenkins he was probably outplaying all the other DB's on the team. When the foot injury happened it looked bad, but he has toughed it out and been able to play through it.

I'm not sure how I'm reaching??

Teams don't give mid-season 5-year extensions to guys they don't see as starters.
 

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Now you are reaching. The contract extension doesnt mean they think he's great, or that he is doing a "bang up job" back there, maybe it means they've done some evaluations already of upcoming free agents and potential draftees, and dont see alot of OBVIOUS upgrades, especially if they see what anyone else can plainly see that Elam sux and has to be replaced.

I think some of you are being a little harsh on Sensabaugh though. Until he hurt his foot against Washington he was having a pretty decent year. Other than Jenkins he was probably outplaying all the other DB's on the team. When the foot injury happened it looked bad, but he has toughed it out and been able to play through it.

I doubt it considering Garrett's one game at a time approach.

And Sensy actually hasn't been playing good, at all, this year. In the 1st quarter of the season he gave up 8 of 11 completions for 122 yards.
 

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I'm not sure how I'm reaching??

Teams don't give mid-season 5-year extensions to guys they don't see as starters.

you said they saw him "doing a bang up job", and thats not what it means
 

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I doubt it considering Garrett's one game at a time approach.

They have this amazing thing at VR (as all teams do). Its called a scouting department. They have guys watching film and attending pro and college games every week. They dont wait till the week before the draft or free agency to start to do this stuff.

And Sensy actually hasn't been playing good, at all, this year. In the 1st quarter of the season he gave up 8 of 11 completions for 122 yards.

He doesnt play man to man much, so I'm not sure how many completions to peg on him alone.
 

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you said they saw him "doing a bang up job", and thats not what it means

So you think they gave him the extension even though they still have some concerns about his inconsistent play?
 

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lol dbair might have a point if this were the offseason. Then we could say, "well, noone available was good enough to sign". Which would be a crock.
 

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So you think they gave him the extension even though they still have some concerns about his inconsistent play?

I think its what I said it was. They see it as covering themselves from having two huge holes at safety instead of just one. He's an average starter, he got a contract that alot of average type starters would get. He's also an excellent special teams player and even if he doesnt start, he can backup both safety spots and play in sub packages.
 

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So you think they gave him the extension even though they still have some concerns about his inconsistent play?
Noone's perfect, but I'm guessing the deal was so friendly to us and structured the way it is because they know what type of player Sensy is.
 

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We'll just have to agree to disagree. I think that in this case, the staff has evaluated Sensabaugh poorly and made a bad decision to extend him. No one was going to run out and sign him on March 1st. All teams make mistakes evaluating which players to re-sign or not to re-sign, so I'm not crucifying them. You are right that this deal does not cripple us financially but I hate the idea of rewarding medicority, especially when there was zero pressure to do so.
 
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