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Wonder if the 4-3 would be more of a real option if they made a big run at Mario Williams, whom Houston is unlikely to retain.

Having him at LDE and Ware at RDE would be a massive coup, and would potentially give us an overwhelming pass rush when you also factor in Ratliff, Lissemore and Hatcher inside at DT. I've always thought Ratliff would be almost unblockable in the right 4-3 scheme at DT, and he'd probably make alot more plays. Lissemore appears to be a real player as well, and was pretty disruptive even in limited reps this year.

Lee can definitely play MLB, and Bruce Carter's optimal position is probably weakside OLB in a 4-3 scheme anyway, he excelled at that at UNC. They'd need to find a legit strongside OLB, but you could get a fairly low cost guy via free agency or perhaps someone in the middle rounds of the draft to man that position. It wouldnt have to be a 3 down LB anyway, so you lessen the need for an impact player there.

While some upgrades in the secondary would still be needed, you could overcome alot with a front 7 like this.

Add Nicks at OG, and while the investments would be huge to get both Nicks and Williams the upside to the moves would probably make it worthwhile. We havent splurged in free agency in a good while, and you'd arguably be adding the two best free agents offensively and defensively in this class.

They'd obviously have tremendous flexibility on draft weekend by making just these two moves, as they'd cover the two biggest weaknesses on the team with premier players.

Might seem far fetched, but remember this past August they made a real run at Asomougha even though they appeared to have little cap flexibility. This offseason they have plenty of cap space available.
 
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Why are the Texans not likely to retain Mario Williams?

And yeah, I'm not sure we have the cap to sign both those players. But our defense would have the potential to be scary if we did.
 

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I honestly think this would be ideal. We are losing Keith Brooking and Bradie James...how convenient. There's some solid WOLB options out there in FA like Ben Leber who can fill that spot. Like you said...Lee at MLB and Carter at SOLB.

I would love our Dline rotation in a 4-3. Mario Williams and Ware would just be amazing. The depth inside would be insane with Ratliff, Hatcher,Spears,Lissemore,Brent. It would do wonders for this secondary.

There's a reason the final 4 teams this year are where they are out. With the exception of the Pats the rest have an elite front 7. I hate to take a page out of the Giants but their philosophy of a strong front 4 has worked out well for them.
 

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Also for the record...we could sign Mario and Nicks if we wanted to. More cuts and restructuring could open roughly 22 mil.

I'm willing to bet Ware would love to restructure if he were told that Mario would be coming here.
 

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I'm thinking because of the success they had when he was injured. They proved to be a top 5 D without him so they may save the money and give to Arian or more Olinemen. He struggled in the 3-4 system too. I think he only signs here if we switch to more 4-3 fronts.

Franchising him would cost roughly 14 million.
 
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Anyone of those free agents would be an upgrade over what we have. I'd much rather have Osi. I think he would be a little cheaper than Williams.
 

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That's IF he gets released. He's still under contract. The most I'd give up is a 5th for him and I doubt the Giants help us out for a little ol 5th rounder. I'd love to have him as a pass rush specialist. Teaming up with his buddy could jumpstart his career.
 

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Yeah... but why again is Mario unlikely to resign in Houston?

They were extremely successful when Williams went out for the year. The guys that played at OLB ended up being better fits there because they had the ability to play in space more. Williams is not a true 3-4 OLB. It'd cost them a ton to franchise him, and they have a couple other players who are free agents they need to take care of as well.

I just think its likely he gets to test the market.
 

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Yeah... but why again is Mario unlikely to resign in Houston?

Texans owner Bob McNair said Thursday he plans to discuss a long-term contract with star running back Arian Foster this offseason, and he hopes to re-sign linebacker Mario Williams, who missed the majority of the 2011 season with a torn pectoral muscle.

"We'll be talking with his agent," said McNair about Foster's situation. "We'll see if we can't work out a long term deal for Arian. He's had a great two years and we said we'll talk about a long term deal and that's what we'll do."

Foster, who gained over 1,200 yards in just 13 games this season after leading the league with over 1,600 yards last year, is a restricted free agent.

McNair also reiterated that the team hopes to bring back Williams, an unrestricted free agent this offseason. Williams played in just five games this year before requiring surgery to repair a torn pectoral muscle. He missed the final three games of the 2010 season with a sports hernia. But McNair said that Williams has healed from his latest injury: "Mario said he could have played in the Cincinnati (playoff game). He was on injured reserve, though, and we couldn't bring him back. Certainly (retaining Williams) is going to be a focus of ours. We want to keep him and we're going to do everything we can to do that."

It is yet to be determined if the Texans will be able to sign their primary free agents, including Williams and extend Foster because the NFL's salary cap is not expected to rise much above the current $120 million. But the Texans may ask players to re-structure deals to make room under the cap. In Williams' case, it's unclear what his market value will be once free agency begins in March.

"It's just a question of where teams stand and how much room they have, I guess," said McNair.

McNair also said that franchising Williams is out of the question since his tag number would be nearly $23 million for 2012.

"We've been spending at the cap and, in some cases, over," McNair said about the club's flexibility to sign free agents. "We have limitations there as to what we might be able to do. We're going to use our money to keep our core players that are the foundation of the team."

The Texans will look into free agency after they attempt to bring back their own players whose contract has expired.

Besides Williams and Foster, the other primary free agents include center Chris Myers, kicker Neil Rackers, tight end Joel Dreessen, guard Mike Brisiel and cornerback Jason Allen.

In terms of his management team, while McNair did not commit to extending the contracts of coach Gary Kubiak and General Manager Rick Smith, it is expected that each will get at least one year added to their current agreement. Kubiak currently has one season remaining on his deal.

McNair also said that a team may still call about defensive coordinator Wade Phillips although no team has done so since Tampa bay requested permission in the first week of January.

"I haven't had any contact with anyone about any of our coaches," said McNair. "I think this is the best spot for (Phillips). He doesn't have anything to prove in terms of being a head coach. He's back home now and he's close to family... he's with a young team. I think all of those things are important to him.
 

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if we were to sign mario williams and stick ware and williams at each end it would be simply fantastic.

with the abilities of ratliff, hatcher and lissemore also bringing pressure up the middle we could have a tremendous pass rush.

the problem with this is sign williams and you still need two corners and a safety.

but I would be all for it, I would also be all for osi.
 
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I'd have a round the clock half staff if we somehow got Williams to play opposite of Ware.

I just don't think FAs wanna come to Dallas as badly anymore. Teh Jerrah has kinda effed our reputation and Garrett wasnt exactly the next Lombardi last year. There were more articles discussing his job status than praising his job for sure. Sounds like a great situation.
 

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the problem with this is sign williams and you still need two corners and a safety.

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Jenkins is a legit CB. Scandrick might be if Henderson can teach him some aggressiveness when playing the ball. But we need some depth there. I dont know that we need two more CB's that can play from day one, but we definitely need 1. Safety is an obvious hole.

Signing Williams and Nicks wouldnt preclude us from adding a couple other moderately priced free agents IMO
 

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I just don't think FAs wanna come to Dallas as badly anymore. .

If we would have ante'd up for Asomougha, he would have come here last year. Dallas is still the premier visability franchise in football and maybe in all of sports. We have a good staff in place and a 1st class venue and facilities. They have an owner who might be an idiot about some things, but he will pay $$$ for good players. Thats still the #1 factor for almost all free agents.
 

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Jenkins is a legit CB. Scandrick might be if Henderson can teach him some aggressiveness when playing the ball. But we need some depth there. I dont know that we need two more CB's that can play from day one, but we definitely need 1. Safety is an obvious hole.

Signing Williams and Nicks wouldnt preclude us from adding a couple other moderately priced free agents IMO


I think Mario Butler would provide excellant depth. Moreso than Ball.
 
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If we would have ante'd up for Asomougha, he would have come here last year. Dallas is still the premier visability franchise in football and maybe in all of sports. We have a good staff in place and a 1st class venue and facilities. They have an owner who might be an idiot about some things, but he will pay $$$ for good players. Thats still the #1 factor for almost all free agents.

lol

It's not 1994 anymore. Don't be a naive homer. We had the money, and made a very aggressive run for Nnamdi after cutting lose Williams, Barber, Colombo, Davis, and Kosier.

Nnamdi used the Jets and Cowboys as leverage to get the deal he wanted in Philly. That's all. They could have easily structured a deal here to make it work, particularly with the contracts coming off the books this offseason.

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The desire to go after Nmandi in the first place is why the culture of this team is all wrong.

Did we even make a play for Charles Woodson when the Raiders were looking to dump him? There are so many free agents that are half the price and headache that Jerry has no capability of evaluating. The fact that he didn't even try to pick up anyone in 2009 after that blowout in Minnesota says everything you need to know. Jerry is a glorified fan. He figured we just had a bad day on the road and that we'd come back to play in our own stadium for the Super Bowl the very next season. This isn't a guess. It's a statement based off the fact that we didn't nothing to improve between 2009 and 2010.

There's a reason that only headstrong coaches who can evaluate talent on their own have had some success here.
 
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