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Consistency bodes well for future

By John Clayton
ESPN.com


The 2009 wide receiver class has been an unappreciated delight.

Percy Harvin, Hakeem Nicks and Jeremy Maclin each have caught 126 passes or more in just two seasons. Despite a rookie holdout, Michael Crabtree has 103 receptions. Mike Wallace of the Steelers, a third-round pick, has a 20.3-yard average per catch.

From this group of winners, it's hard to pick the best of the lot, but I'm going to go with Maclin. I concede the gap isn't much. There is just something consistent and smooth about Maclin's style of pass-catching.

There is no question Maclin works in the shadow of DeSean Jackson, who is the main receiver in Andy Reid's West Coast offense. Jackson clearly isn't Jerry Rice as a talent, but Maclin, as a No. 2 target, reminds you a little of John Taylor, the former 49ers stud who played opposite Rice.

Maclin is 6-foot, one inch shorter than Taylor, but his 198-pound frame is 13 pounds heavier than the former 49er. He caught 70 passes last season making the adjustment from Donovan McNabb to Michael Vick, but he clearly has the look of a receiver who will catch 90 to 100 in a season.

Talk about consistency: Maclin averaged 13.8 yards a catch as a rookie and kept the same number his second season. As good as Maclin is now, averaging 63 catches a season, you can see plenty of room for improvement.

His yards-after-contact average is low at 1.4 yards a catch, but that number can improve. It's not as though he can be classified as a player ready to make a breakout season, but it seems inevitable that he will go over 1,000 yards in receiving this year after getting 773 as a rookie and 964 last season.

It will be fun in the future to watch all of these receivers develop, because each has his own style. Maclin has nice size as a split end working alone against a cornerback on the weak side of the field. Harvin is quick and explosive out of the slot. Crabtree is a tall, dangerous target out of the slot. Nicks is a big-play receiver with big hands and a physical style. Wallace is an ideal deep threat.

For the moment, the nod goes to Maclin.

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Skills, stable situation equal success

By Dan Graziano
ESPN.com


The 2009 NFL draft was a great one for receivers, but the one who'll have the best career was the fifth one off the board. Hakeem Nicks of the Giants is the complete package, and of all the promising young wideouts entering the third seasons of their careers, he's the one best set up for long-term success.

The biggest concern about Nicks coming out of North Carolina was whether he had the top-end speed a No. 1 NFL wideout needs to stretch the field. But his 14.6 yards-per-catch average in his first two seasons answered that. Of the receivers in this group, only Pittsburgh's Mike Wallace (at an incredible 20.3) has a higher average.

But while Wallace has functioned only as a deep threat, and Philadelphia's Jeremy Maclin may have more speed, Nicks has much more to his game. He's a devoted film-study nut (since high school, he claims). He's been a great-hands red zone target for Eli Manning. He has the size to outmuscle defenders in the end zone. He locates the ball in traffic better than any other receiver in this group and, more importantly, better than the defensive backs who are covering him. The latter skill is critical, because it makes him a risky guy to defend even with double-teams.

Nicks is, in short, the best all-around receiver in this exciting third-year group. He's shown the ability to do more things on the field than has Percy Harvin, and he's proved more to this point than has Michael Crabtree. He also finds himself in far more secure and potentially beneficial surroundings than either of those two.

Nicks' quarterback situation is stable -- Manning is signed long term in New York and already has developed a rock-solid trust in him. He also has complementary receivers, Steve Smith and Mario Manningham, who have excelled in specific roles. Having Smith as the possession guy and Manningham as the deep threat prevents teams from focusing all of their coverage on him the way, say, 49ers opponents can on Crabtree. The Giants build depth well at certain positions, and that helps players develop at their own pace. They're in luck with Nicks, whose pace has been swift.

Nicks wasn't the first receiver taken in the 2009 draft. But given what he's already shown and where he finds himself, he's the one in line for the best career.
 

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Clayton's got Maclin pegged. The complimentary receiver to the superbeast Jackson.
 

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Yup. By the end of their careers i'll put up 100 dollars against anyone that Maclin has the better numbers.

Whoa. $100, eh? I admire your conviction.

But that doesn't change the fact you got wrong. That right now, today, DeSean Jackson is the alpha WR on that Eagles' offense.

I know it. John Clayton knows it. The entire NFL world except you knows it.
 
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Whoa. $100, eh? I admire your conviction.

But that doesn't change the fact you got wrong. That right now, today, DeSean Jackson is the alpha WR on that Eagles' offense.

I know it. John Clayton knows it. The entire NFL world except you knows it.

That should be an easy bet for you to take then, huh bud?
 
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By the way, your comment about Maclin being nothing more than a complimentory WR and Jackson being a "superbeast" doesn't really mesh with what Clayton ACTUALLY said in his article.

"Jackson clearly isn't Jerry Rice as a talent, but Maclin, as a No. 2 target, reminds you a little of John Taylor, the former 49ers stud who played opposite Rice."
 

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That should be an easy bet for you to take then, huh bud?

Well considering I never once claimed Jackson would have a longer career than Maclin, you're making an outstanding point here.

He may or may not end up with better overall numbers than the great DeSean Jackson. What he hasn't done is operated as the Eagles lead receiver the last two years. Which was, like....ya know....the topic of the debate.

Ya know how you know when somebody's got nothing? When they change course in the middle of the debate.
 

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By the way, your comment about Maclin being nothing more than a complimentory WR and Jackson being a "superbeast" doesn't really mesh with what Clayton ACTUALLY said in his article.

"Jackson clearly isn't Jerry Rice as a talent, but Maclin, as a No. 2 target, reminds you a little of John Taylor, the former 49ers stud who played opposite Rice."

Who said he was better than Jerry Rice? I didn't. Reach much?

He also said this....wait for it.....brace yourself.....

There is no question Maclin works in the shadow of DeSean Jackson, who is the main receiver in Andy Reid's West Coast offense.

And the truth!......shall set you free.
 
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Who said he was better than Jerry Rice? I didn't. Reach much?

He also said this....wait for it.....brace yourself.....

There is no question Maclin works in the shadow of DeSean Jackson, who is the main receiver in Andy Reid's West Coast offense.

And the truth!......shall set you free.

Clearly in referring to Jackson as a "superbeast" and Maclin as only a "complimentory WR" you are knocking one guy and building another up to be something way greater than he is.

Clayton on the other hand, says that Jackson is nowhere near the talent that Rice was (correct) but that Maclin reminds him of the stud John Taylor who played with Rice. Kind of a different tone in his article from the one you wanted to give to us.
 
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Well considering I never once claimed Jackson would have a longer career than Maclin, you're making an outstanding point here.

He may or may not end up with better overall numbers than the great DeSean Jackson. What he hasn't done is operated as the Eagles lead receiver the last two years. Which was, like....ya know....the topic of the debate.

Ya know how you know when somebody's got nothing? When they change course in the middle of the debate.

There was no debate in this thread was there?

I said i'll bet anyone 100 bucks that Maclin has the better career.

You said "whoa 100 bucks that's alot, blah blah blah."

I said "then bet me".

You said "Im a pussy blah blah blah..".

Am i close? Or would you like to put up that 100 dollars that you don't have? If Jackson is so much better he shouldn't need to have as long of a career as Maclin to end up with better numbers right?
 

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Clearly in referring to Jackson as a "superbeast" and Maclin as only a "complimentory WR" you are knocking one guy and building another up to be something way greater than he is.

Clayton on the other hand, says that Jackson is nowhere near the talent that Rice was (correct) but that Maclin reminds him of the stud John Taylor who played with Rice. Kind of a different tone in his article from the one you wanted to give to us.

It's not different at all as long as you're not a moron.

He's saying clearly that the great DeSean Jackson is the lead dog. Like Rice. But not as good as the GOAT WR. Maclin, meanwhile, is more like the inferior John Taylor. Who nobody would mention in a one hour conversation of great all time WRs.

Seems to me he's basically calling you a f'n idiot, DaHammah.
 

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There was no debate in this thread was there?

I said i'll bet anyone 100 bucks that Maclin has the better career.

You said "whoa 100 bucks that's alot, blah blah blah."

I said "then bet me".

You said "Im a pussy blah blah blah..".

Am i close? Or would you like to put up that 100 dollars that you don't have? If Jackson is so much better he shouldn't need to have as long of a career as Maclin to end up with better numbers right?

lol

Oh, I didn't realize opinions didn't carry over to other threads.

So in this thread you agree that Jackson is the Eagles' lead WR?

Nobody gives two shats about your whopping $100 bet. Because nobody ever claimed otherwise. Ya dig? You're having an argument with yourself, Warren.
 
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lol

Oh, I didn't realize opinions didn't carry over to other threads.

So in this thread you agree that Jackson is the Eagles' lead WR?

Nobody gives two shats about your whopping $100 bet. Because nobody ever claimed otherwise. Ya dig? You're having an argument with yourself, Warren.

So you admit then pretty much that Maclin will have the better career.

Oh, but Jackson is still holding on to that "number 1 on the depth chart" tag that means oh so much in terms of production, so that's good.

lol
 
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It's not different at all as long as you're not a moron.

He's saying clearly that the great DeSean Jackson is the lead dog. Like Rice. But not as good as the GOAT WR. Maclin, meanwhile, is more like the inferior John Taylor. Who nobody would mention in a one hour conversation of great all time WRs.

...and again.

You call Taylor "inferior". Clayton calls him a "stud". Again, your opinion, and Clayton's.. miles apart.
 

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How the hell can you make a big stink about how Maclin is the true lead WR for the Eagles, read this article, and then state Clayton is not in direct conflict with your stance?

He specifically states that's not the case. lol
 

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...and again.

You call Taylor "inferior". Clayton calls him a "stud". Again, your opinion, and Clayton's.. miles apart.

lol

Yeah, Clayton was clearly putting Taylor on par with Rice there.

He wasn't, like, comparing another combo of lead WR/inferior compliment. No. No way.

And when he stated that Maclin clearly operates in the shadow of Jackson, who is the lead receiver in Andy Reid's offense, he was actually saying Maclin is better.

Holyf'nsheepshat.
 
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lol

Yeah, Clayton was clearly putting Taylor on par with Rice there.

He wasn't, like, comparing another combo of lead WR/inferior compliment. No. No way.

And when he stated that Maclin clearly operates in the shadow of Jackson, who is the lead receiver in Andy Reid's offense, he was actually saying Maclin is better.

Holyf'nsheepshat.

Bud.. we get it. Jackson is number 1 on the depth chart. Maclin is number 2 on the depth chart.

It really doesn't matter a whole heck of alot in terms of production and consistency.. in both those terms, Maclin was clearly better last season, and will continue to be throughout both of their careers.
 
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