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So limit Murray and his production because you fear wearing him out? You provide negative examples but there are examples on the other side. Adrian Peterson, Jones Drew, ect. Running backs have short careers. Just the way it is. Some guys can handle a heavy load (shit joke) and some can’t. Murray has proven he can. I don’t understand why you would protect him from something he can handle.

I wouldn't necessarily call 15-20 carries a game "protecting" him. I just think Felix is serviceable enough to help with some of the load.

Sure and i agree. I just wouldn’t insult someone during an argument just because they disagree with you.

Is that what it came across as? I was insulting him because he's a bitch...not bc he was arguing with me. I wonder if I should go back and make that clear.
 
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I wouldn't necessarily call 15-20 carries a game "protecting" him. I just think Felix is serviceable enough to help with some of the load.

Sure, Felix when healthy is still an explosive running back. I just enjoy watching Murray and want him on the field. His carries will probably go down slightly.

Is that what it came across as? I was insulting him because he's a bitch...not bc he was arguing with me. I wonder if I should go back and make that clear.

No, don’t worry about it. I probably hate the guy more than anyone else. He is a vile human being (i think he’s human).
 

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So yesterday after Jones said he wasnt ready to name Murray a "starter", Garrett told him "Jones is the backup" and today, Jerry can speak.


Owner: Felix Jones to back up Murray

By Tim MacMahon
ESPNDallas.com

The Dallas Cowboys expect Felix Jones to return Sunday after a four-game absence, but not as the team's primary running back.

Owner/general manager Jerry Jones indicated during a radio appearance Tuesday that rookie DeMarco Murray, who has been a dominant force while Felix Jones was sidelined with a high ankle sprain, would continue to get the bulk of the carries.


"One thing that comes to my mind is that Murray looks like the more he carries, the more effective he gets," Jerry Jones said on KRLD-FM. "You think of that theoretically about a workhorse running back, that they get better as the game goes along.

"On the other hand, Felix -- and this is not negative in any way -- but Felix has always been a guy that looks like the best way for him to be his best is to inject him in spots. So we may have a guy here in Murray and we may have a guy here in Felix who can step in there 12, 13 times a ballgame and really have a chance to break it."

Murray, a third-round draft pick, has rushed for 601 yards in Felix Jones' absence, setting a franchise record for a four-game span while the Cowboys went 3-1. He has three 100-yard games, including a 253-yard breakout performance against the St. Louis Rams that broke Emmitt Smith's franchise record.

By comparison, Jones rushed for 253 yards on 63 carries during the Cowboys' 2-3 start. Jones, a first-round pick in 2008, has two 100-yard rushing games in his career.

The Cowboys drafted Jones, who played in Darren McFadden's shadow at Arkansas, to be a change-of-pace back. They picked him instead of Rashard Mendenhall because they believed Jones' style and explosiveness made him a better complement to Marion Barber, whom the Cowboys had signed to a seven-year, $45 million extension weeks before that draft.

Jones flourished in the role, rushing for 951 yards on 146 carries (6.5 per carry) during his injury-plagued first and second seasons. He hasn't been nearly as explosive since becoming the Cowboys' lead back, a shift that occurred last season because of the ineffectiveness of Barber, who was released this summer.

It makes sense to use Jones in a complementary role with Murray continuing to get the bulk of the work, although coach Jason Garrett has been tight-lipped about how he intends to use his backs, unlike his much more forthcoming boss.

"We just want to get (Jones) back into action," Garrett said Monday. "He's been a really good football player for us the past few years, a dynamic player both in the run game and the pass games. We just want to get him some touches."

Tim MacMahon covers the Cowboys for ESPNDallas.com.

Boner Jamz!
 

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Yes, but what is your criteria? Low IQ as in football knowledge? They disagree with you?

I would like to see the “higher” IQ opinions expressed on this forum. I kindof think some posters here are afraid to get into real football disagreements. I like that you are talking football but it doesn’t appear to be very common. Kindof wish there was more.

Yes, low IQ football-wise
 

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How do you measure that? How exactly do you personally know everyones football IQ?

You read what people say. Some of its so outlandish that they're either incredibly stupid or just trying to draw attention t themselves by acting stupid.
 
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So limit Murray and his production because you fear wearing him out? You provide negative examples but there are examples on the other side. Adrian Peterson, Jones Drew, ect. Running backs have short careers. Just the way it is. Some guys can handle a heavy load (shit joke) and some can’t. Murray has proven he can. I don’t understand why you would protect him from something he can handle.
I don't know that we can definitively say that Murray has proven he can handle 20+ carries week-in and week-out after doing it for 3 out of 4 games.
 
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I don't know that we can definitively say that Murray has proven he can handle 20+ carries week-in and week-out after doing it for 3 out of 4 games.

I think it has been proven to some degree by looking at his production over those 4 games. Health wise he has also proven he can take the pounding of a 20+ carry game. Can we definitively say Murray can go an entire 16+ games? I don’t know, that opportunity hasn’t presented itself to say he can’t handle it.
 

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Like what? Who decides what is outlandish or incredibly stupid?

Again, I posted there for a very long time. I saw it everyday. Its one of thereasons I dont post there any longer, because I dont think they do much to stop it. Instead they get more mad at people ridiculing stupid posts, which I strngly disagree with.
 
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Again, I posted there for a very long time. I saw it everyday. Its one of thereasons I dont post there any longer, because I dont think they do much to stop it. Instead they get more mad at people ridiculing stupid posts, which I strngly disagree with.

I think they discourage against negative posts and free speech while promoting religious values. “Stupid” posts has such a vague meaning. Is it stupid because you simply disagree with it? Everyone will eventually post something motivated by their own bias. Doesn’t mean they have a lower football IQ in general. Is there a football IQ test everyone could take? There is no way a person could know for sure.
 
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I think they discourage against negative posts and free speech while promoting religious values. “Stupid” posts has such a vague meaning. Is it stupid because you simply disagree with it? Everyone will eventually post something motivated by their own bias. Doesn’t mean they have a lower football IQ in general. Is there a football IQ test everyone could take? There is no way a person could know for sure.
Personally speaking, I think it's been pretty clear that "real football talk" over there only happens in a choice few threads, and those threads are quickly derailed by the masses. It used to be a great place for that in the majority of the threads. Now you have to wade through all the bullshit to find it.
 
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Personally speaking, I think it's been pretty clear that "real football talk" over there only happens in a choice few threads, and those threads are quickly derailed by the masses. It used to be a great place for that in the majority of the threads. Now you have to wade through all the bullshit to find it.

Oh i completely agree. CZ bores me. Same ole shit everyday. Very few interesting posters. The thing i am against is the “elitist” attitude. I won’t be part of that. I kindof wish guys would stop obsessing over everything that shits out of that place. They are not that interesting. More football talk, less yentas.
 

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I think they discourage against negative posts and free speech while promoting religious values. “Stupid” posts has such a vague meaning. Is it stupid because you simply disagree with it? Everyone will eventually post something motivated by their own bias. Doesn’t mean they have a lower football IQ in general. Is there a football IQ test everyone could take? There is no way a person could know for sure.

No -disagreeing with anyone is fine. Posting mind numbingly stupid crap isnt.

And if a site is going to continually allow that type of stuff to go on, they shouldnt be upset, or discourage other posters from "piling on", and CZ clearly does that.
 

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Personally speaking, I think it's been pretty clear that "real football talk" over there only happens in a choice few threads, and those threads are quickly derailed by the masses. It used to be a great place for that in the majority of the threads. Now you have to wade through all the bullshit to find it.

My sentiments exactly.
 
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