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What do you mean, "not worth it"?
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JBond
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100K is plenty. No need to pay players. That just opens up a whole new set of problems. They are amateurs. A better idea would be having the NFL change the age restriction/number of years after high school rule. If they are good enough and want to be paid like pros, let them try.
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Meaning they need that shitty 3rd guard he's obviously a part of a cog of a machine that makes them shitballs of money
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Don't pay them, but let them earn from their name/rep/fame. If someone is willing to pay them for their autograph, appearence, etc. good for them!
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I disagree. They're not paid because the NCAA has to maintain their bullshit "amateurism" ideal.
Tons of players never amount to anything, but if they don't contribute to the team they don't just toil away on the roster for 4 years.
I understand it *costs* that much. But just cause it *costs* that much doesn't mean it's *worth* that much. Most Division I colleges and universities have artificially inflated tuition costs because they know that the stigma in this country is if you don't go to college, you're not going to get a good job.
But the only reason they're giving athletes help is cause those athletes bring money into the school. Like you said, nobody cares about average joe student, cause all he does is pay tuition, and they can replace him with the next applicant who just fell short of admission.
Think about it. Football players don't pay the school anything and the school actually expends tons of money on them, yet if they start doing poorly because they're essentially working full-time jobs with overtime, they do everything they can to try to get his grades up, including making up fake classes and fudging grades. What is that person contributing to the university? Income through ticket sales and merchandising and a bell cow for alumni donations.
Average Joe student actually PAYS the school $100K+ over four years. Yet if they start failing, oh well. There's no free tutoring or fudging grades for them. That tells me that the football player is worth much more to the university that $100k.
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I'm with messcan. Why can't Manziel profit off HIS name? It reeks of utter bullshit.
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I really don't care either way if they can't be paid like the rest of us. They are paid beyond the "full ride" status.
I've seen athletes get checks in the form of "tuition reimbursement" or "living expenses". Living expenses after their room and meal plan was purchased at a non-university dorm that was basically on campus. They're given top notch tutors to walk them through the materials. A friend of mine who's likely as book-smart as they come was a tutor at my university. The players have no real responsibilities other than to the team. Attendance is pretty much the prerequisite for passing.
They're given a hell of a lot more than just tuition because the expected cost of attendance includes a shit ton more than just tuition. You can actually turn in mileage estimates to the financial aide office and they'll raise your expect costs by the IRS rate of like $0.53 per mile. Basically, all you have to do is bump the expected cost up and the full ride likely covers that amount with anything beyond tuition coming back to the student as a semester lump sum or as monthly living expense checks.
For the players who would even benefit from a pay system, they're given the chance to showcase themselves on a national scale. Seems like a fair trade off for someone without any real world qualifications, often times limited ability to even meet the academic standards for enrollment, and for many of whom aren't good enough in the end to actually move on to the pro level.
How much is "fair pay" for any single player? What do the softball, soccer and lacrosse players make? Doubtful those sports are generating massive amounts of money at most traditional sport schools. How about the track team? What about other competitive, scholarship-based areas? Would debate teams get paid?
Also, how much is any single player worth to a guy like Nick Saban who can win with or without any single guy? Sure, you might be a highly rated prospect but the team sure as fuck isn't losing any amount of interest without you. Whether you are there or not, the seats are going to be jam packed and people are going to be buying shit without your name on it. You are basically irrelevant to their bottom line. Furthermore, how much should players pass on to Nick Saban for making them "successful"? We can't have someone making money off of someone else, Nick Saban better be getting his commission for getting you your paycheck.
Ultimately, I think it's blown way out of proportion. You have people actually minimizing the value of an education. Any money the NCAA loses from sporting revenue will just be passed on in terms of tuition hikes or increased costs of anything associated with the sports. Of course, that only affects non-athletes and the rare few profitable athletes who actually seek their degree so it really shouldn't shock anyone that ex, current, and future players wouldn't mind. Aside from the fact that they don't really have plans on staying any longer than is necessary to get to the professional leagues, they don't have to pay for their short stay in the first place. They've probably never even seen a tuition statement, purchased a ticket, or bought a t-shirt to wear to any of the sporting events.
I've seen athletes get checks in the form of "tuition reimbursement" or "living expenses". Living expenses after their room and meal plan was purchased at a non-university dorm that was basically on campus. They're given top notch tutors to walk them through the materials. A friend of mine who's likely as book-smart as they come was a tutor at my university. The players have no real responsibilities other than to the team. Attendance is pretty much the prerequisite for passing.
They're given a hell of a lot more than just tuition because the expected cost of attendance includes a shit ton more than just tuition. You can actually turn in mileage estimates to the financial aide office and they'll raise your expect costs by the IRS rate of like $0.53 per mile. Basically, all you have to do is bump the expected cost up and the full ride likely covers that amount with anything beyond tuition coming back to the student as a semester lump sum or as monthly living expense checks.
For the players who would even benefit from a pay system, they're given the chance to showcase themselves on a national scale. Seems like a fair trade off for someone without any real world qualifications, often times limited ability to even meet the academic standards for enrollment, and for many of whom aren't good enough in the end to actually move on to the pro level.
How much is "fair pay" for any single player? What do the softball, soccer and lacrosse players make? Doubtful those sports are generating massive amounts of money at most traditional sport schools. How about the track team? What about other competitive, scholarship-based areas? Would debate teams get paid?
Also, how much is any single player worth to a guy like Nick Saban who can win with or without any single guy? Sure, you might be a highly rated prospect but the team sure as fuck isn't losing any amount of interest without you. Whether you are there or not, the seats are going to be jam packed and people are going to be buying shit without your name on it. You are basically irrelevant to their bottom line. Furthermore, how much should players pass on to Nick Saban for making them "successful"? We can't have someone making money off of someone else, Nick Saban better be getting his commission for getting you your paycheck.
Ultimately, I think it's blown way out of proportion. You have people actually minimizing the value of an education. Any money the NCAA loses from sporting revenue will just be passed on in terms of tuition hikes or increased costs of anything associated with the sports. Of course, that only affects non-athletes and the rare few profitable athletes who actually seek their degree so it really shouldn't shock anyone that ex, current, and future players wouldn't mind. Aside from the fact that they don't really have plans on staying any longer than is necessary to get to the professional leagues, they don't have to pay for their short stay in the first place. They've probably never even seen a tuition statement, purchased a ticket, or bought a t-shirt to wear to any of the sporting events.
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That's an NCAA violation
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I agree