Describe the moment you lost faith in Romo

[Doomsday]

Orton could have put up enough points each week to get us close to .500. the X factor is the horrific defense. as Tony found out time and again, sometimes 30 points ain't enough.

Some might say the defenses Romo puts 30 points up on, are horrific as well. It's not like the NFL the last 12 years since the major passing game rules changes, has been a bastion of defense overall. 300 yard games are the norm from more and more quarterbacks.

 

[Doomsday]

I'd bet on Aikman not lasting in Romo's exact situation, with exact set of circumstances. Not past year 3 or 4.

Give Aikman the rules Romo and other modern quarterbacks enjoy, which hamstrings the defensive back more than ever and we might could possibly know.

Bringing up Aikman is just a red herring.

 

[marionbarberthe4th]

We're so talented all of the sudden!


You're all over the place bro. So...

Take any Average qb X
Put him on this Bad team
Gets us an average record?




Do you think romo is average ? 8 guys have won the SB. Mannings, Brady, Rodgers, brees, roethlisberger, flacco, Wilson. Romos probably better than a couple of them but whatever. Whos played better than romo besides them?

 

[marionbarberthe4th]

This thread is getting retardeder

 

[Doomsday]

Hell, today you can't even sneeze on the QB or even give him a dirty look without drawing a flag, I think Troy with his skillset and with Romo's exact team would tear this league up today.

Do you think romo is average

I do.

 

[bbgun]

We're so talented all of the sudden!


You're all over the place bro. So...

Take any Average qb X
Put him on this Bad team
Gets us an average record?




Do you think romo is average ? 8 guys have won the SB. Mannings, Brady, Rodgers, brees, roethlisberger, flacco, Wilson. Romos probably better than a couple of them but whatever. Whos played better than romo besides them?

We've been average because of the defense and some curious Garrett playcalling. For the most part, the offense does its job week to week. My Orton hypothetical is predicated on the o-line keeping him upright, as they did in WK17 last year. If that were so, he could conceivable put up as many points as Romo. I totally reject the notion that it takes a superhuman performance by Romo or any other QB to get us to .500.

 

[Doomsday]

We've been average because of the defense and some curious Garrett playcalling. For the most part, the offense does its job week to week. My Orton hypothetical is predicated on the o-like keeping him upright, as they did in WK17 last year. If that were so, he could conceivable put up as many points as Romo. I totally reject the notion that it takes a superman performance by Romo or any other QB to get us to .500.

Yep especially when the offense has been tailored to be "Romo Friendly" for what, the last four years at least? At the cost of the defense?

And when is the last time the special teams made a fucking play and helped us out some?

 

[bbgun]

And when is the last time the special teams made a fucking play and helped us out some?

Harris is a good returner, but blocking kicks or whatnot ain't our thing.

 

[Sheik]

Aikman never had a first round pick in any of his lines. Never, not even one.

This is relevant?

Aikman's worst offensive lines, aside from 89', were leaps and bounds better than what we had from 2009-2012.

I'm not sure where draft slots figure in here, except maybe. . .nope, not seeing it.

 

[Sheik]

Give Aikman the rules Romo and other modern quarterbacks enjoy, which hamstrings the defensive back more than ever and we might could possibly know.

Bringing up Aikman is just a red herring.

Yeah, rules the same. No problem.

My point is you and others aren't taking into account the overall team. At least from where I'm sitting. I'm not bringing up Aikman to bash him, I'm only saying that it's not as cut and dry as you'd like.

HOFer Troy Aikman would have been another in the long line of QBs who couldn't survive Jerry's ineptitude post jimmy/Parcells.

He doesn't know how to build a team. Trenches out. He's not done his QB any favors. He's made mention in the past that he's spend money at skill positions because his QB can deal with the pressure, he has the escapabity.

If this year the defense was average, we get good line play, injuries aren't as bad as last year, and Linehan(sp?) commits to running the ball, if all those things happened and Romo was the detriment to this team, I'd be more inclined to agree with you and BBgun.

Since 2007, I haven't seen a complete team. I've seen a team full of holes from top to bottom. But I've also seen great QB play keep this team on the cusp of contention. I've watched him win football games with his legs and arm far more often than I've seen him come up short.

 

[Iamtdg]

I agree that Aikman would not have survived behind the lines Tony has had to deal with.

 

[Doomsday]

I agree that Aikman would not have survived behind the lines Tony has had to deal with.

If Troy had the same players, same defensive rules, everything else the same as if you could teleport the 25 year old Aikman into today's team, he would tear the league up. Might not be able to get better than 8-8 out of the season, but then again might actually be able to do so.

My point is you and others aren't taking into account the overall team. At least from where I'm sitting. I'm not bringing up Aikman to bash him, I'm only saying that it's not as cut and dry as you'd like.

HOFer Troy Aikman would have been another in the long line of QBs who couldn't survive Jerry's ineptitude post jimmy/Parcells.

Troy is a better quarterback in every phase of the game. Certainly a better and more accurate passer. And Romo takes ALOT of sacks, it's not like he's really that much more adroit at avoiding them as Troy was.

For some reason when Romo's Dallas team runs up 30 points on a opponent, it's how great Romo is not how much that opposing defense sucks. But when that same team gets 31 or more on us, it's how bad our defense sucks instead of, maybe that opposing offense is pretty good too. Both teams pay their players and the league rules help the passing game to a tremendous degree.

It's not so much that Romo's great, it's more that defenses today are mostly toothless. Romo flat out could not play in Troy's era, because he is a China Doll and back then, defenses could beat a QB up pretty good and incur no penalty.

 

[pdom]

December 11, 2011 vs NYG on SNF. "Lost in the Lights" Game

Romo 3rd down incompletion to a wide-open Austin on a Giants all-out blitz that would've sealed the win, and likely the division, because Austin lost the ball in the lights.

Giants get ball back and complete the comeback to win the game.

I wish we still had the gameday chatter transcript.

 

[marionbarberthe4th]

Bc romo averages like 30 or hes top 5 in points or whatever, that's a good thing.

The defense gave up 40 a game. The worst. That's bad.

Jfc dooms help me help you

 

[marionbarberthe4th]

If he lost in the lights then what's the problem ?

 

[bbgun]

December 11, 2011 vs NYG on SNF. "Lost in the Lights" Game

that game was kinda emblematic of his career (minus the backbreaking interception). he racks up enough points to win, the defense chokes away the lead, Tony valiantly drives them down the field to get into FG position, and JPP blocks the kick. even the harshest of critics had to be sympathetic.

 

[pdom]

If he lost in the lights then what's the problem ?

Because I lost my faith that Romo, on the Cowboys, would win the Super Bowl. I think Romo can find bigger success on a different team.

 

[pdom]

that game was kinda emblematic of his career (minus the backbreaking interception).

He didn't throw an INT in that game.

 

[bbgun]

He didn't throw an INT in that game.

yes, I made that clear

 

[marionbarberthe4th]

8 guys have won the SB. Mannings, Brady, Rodgers, brees, roethlisberger, flacco, Wilson. Romos probably better than a couple of them but whatever. Whos played better than romo besides them?

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