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“Syria is Iran’s only ally in the Arab world. It’s their route to the sea.”

wut

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If we're going to indict Ahmadinejad, as Mitt wants, for threatening Israel with "genocide," then indict Bush 4 mass genocide in Iraq

What's that? That had nothing to do with what I initially mentioned? Ok.

All that was mentioned was why Obama visited those countries on his apology tour. And didn't go to Israel. But spin away, and try change the subject. Cool, I guess.

Still blaming Bush for things to deflect from the current POTUS's ineptitude. lol
 

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No you're right. The country was fine when Bush left office. Obama inherited a perfectly fine running country.

Republican argument: We were dead wrong about Bush, he was awful, so you are not allowed to talk about Bush.

Romney argument: Shipping jobs to other countries is unpopular so you are not allowed to bring up that I used to ship jobs overseas.

Playing with facts. It's fun.
 

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No you're right. The country was fine when Bush left office. Obama inherited a perfectly fine running country.

Republican argument: We were dead wrong about Bush, he was awful, so you are not allowed to talk about Bush.

Romney argument: Shipping jobs to other countries is unpopular so you are not allowed to bring up that I used to ship jobs overseas.

Playing with facts. It's fun.
Please show me where I've ever said anything about Bush, much less trying to prop him up as anything good. Or where I said, or even hinted at 'the country was fine when Bush left office. Obama inherited a perfectly fine running country', since you mentioned that specifically. I'll wait.

Also, I'd like to hear a plausible explanation of why bringing up a past presidents failures should excuse the current presidents failures. I'll wait.
 
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Rasmussen: Romney 50%...Obama 46%
Gallup: Romney 51%...Obama 46%

Maybe by election day Obama can reach that magical 47%
 
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Romney passes Obama in Favorability rating

BOCA RATON, Fla. — Mitt Romney crossed a major threshold early this week, moving above 50 percent in his favorability rating with voters, according to the Real Clear Politics average of polls — and for the first time in the campaign he now leads President Obama on that measure.

The Republican presidential nominee has clearly benefited from the debates. He had a 44.5 percent favorability rating at the end of September, before the debates. But by Monday, when he and Mr. Obama faced off for the final debate of the campaign, Mr. Romney’s favorability average was up to 50.5 percent.
Tom Jensen, director of Public Policy Polling, a Democratic firm, said Mr. Romney’s favorability surge “really has been remarkable.”
 

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The fact that President Obama dominated Romney in their foreign policy debate is clear. The president not only got in his fair share of zingers (horses, bayonets and submarines come to mind), but was also confident in his ability to argue the success of his foreign policy priorities and how they tied into the need to nation-build here at home. If Romney had a message, it was tough to discern exactly what it was, and his tone was hesitant and insecure. But what may hurt Romney even more than the overall tone and tenor of the debate? The amount of time he spent agreeing with President Obama's foreign policy vision.

I am glad to know that mitt agrees with Obama so much.No, really.Why vote?
— Glenn Beck (@glennbeck) October 23, 2012

As much as Democrats were distraught by Obama's desire to find common ground with his opponent during the first debate, Romney's desire to do the same with what their alternate reality views as a weak, apologetic and anti-Israel foreign policy must have been even more painful for conservatives. Democrats support the president because we actually like him. Conservatives, on the other hand, are behind Romney not because they really like him, but because they despise Obama and will do whatever it takes to get rid of him, even if it means reconciling themselves to someone who will do anything to get elected.
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In the end, though, Romney got the worst of all worlds on Monday night: he made his base unhappy, got rebuked by the president for his lack of knowledge and inconsistency, and looked incoherent and insecure in the process.

Great quote and lmao good one Glenn Beck.
 

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I like this one;

But we can’t kill our way out of this mess. We’re going to have to put in place a very comprehensive and robust strategy to help the -- the world of Islam and other parts of the world, reject this radical violent extremism, which is -- it’s certainly not on the run.

Two minutes later...

Well, my strategy is pretty straightforward, which is to go after the bad guys, to make sure we do our very best to interrupt them, to -- to kill them, to take them out of the picture.

straightforward indeed. It was nice of Romney to agree with Obama all night. YOU GOT THE ROMNESIA
 

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Mitt Romney should be doing a walk of shame today, after reversing most of his irresponsible, hawkish foreign policy statements from the last year just to have a hot night with undecided female voters in the final debate. How does he live with himself?

But I’m having a hard time watching television coverage of Romney’s debate performance the morning after. The conventional wisdom seems to be that while President Obama won the debate, Romney’s “prevent defense” at least kept him in the race – and it was the politically wise course. Of course, Obama’s “prevent defense” two weeks ago in Denver was a debacle that changed everything. I’m not sure why Romney’s turn at it is supposed to be smarter politics.

Beyond scoring the debate on style points, though, why aren’t more people horrified by Romney’s capacity to disavow virtually everything he’s said on foreign policy and cuddle up with Obama, in order to seem less frightening to voters? On Afghanistan, on Iran, on abandoning Egypt’s Hosni Mubarak, on killing Osama bin Laden, on Syria, on drones, Romney mostly said “me too” to Obama’s policies. And it’s not as though the debate merely gave Romney the space to explain foreign policy positions that may have been misinterpreted. After a year spent attacking Obama’s “weakness” globally and promising to be hawkish, he was, at times, the dove, insisting more than once “We can’t kill our way out of this.” And when he wasn’t echoing Obama, he sounded like a schoolboy reciting what he just learned in world geography class.

I found it chilling. Once again I thought to myself: Who is this guy who’s trying to imitate a cautious, sober global statesman (albeit one who sweats a lot)? I just watched Doris Kearns Goodwin on “Morning Joe” say Romney did the right thing because his goal was not to scare anybody and lose the momentum he gained from Debate 1, and everyone seemed to agree. But in what new realm of cynicism is it the right thing to hide your real policies in order to become president?

I suppose the media folks who are reassured by Romney’s mild debate performance think that’s the real Romney – he’s not the hawk who’d let crazy John Bolton, a key adviser, run his foreign policy. This is the same approach a lot of people take to Romney’s extremism on women’s issues – oh, c’mon, ladies, he’s really a Massachusetts moderate who doesn’t mean any of what he says about overturning Roe v. Wade or defunding Planned Parenthood. That’s ridiculous. The fact is, we don’t know which Mitt Romney would take the oath of office, and that alone should consign him to an ugly defeat in two weeks.


The only thing the post-debate punditry really cares about is whether Obama’s modest (by their standards) debate win can make a difference, and again the conventional wisdom is it won’t, because foreign policy debates never do. First of all, I’m not so sure about that. I’d like to see some polls before I weigh in. But most important, insisting that the debate won’t move the electoral needle almost instructs voters not to take it seriously, and downplays the extent to which Romney’s reinvention is played as big news.

I go back to Kevin Drum’s idea of the “hack gap” between the left and right, in which righty hacks are supposedly so much more numerous and robotic in their support of their candidates that they move public opinion (and spineless mainstream media folks) with the sheer force of their lies, and the left can’t match them either in numbers or mendacity. I still don’t think that’s the way it works. The fact that MSNBC pundits were thrilled with Obama’s last two performances certainly didn’t change the media narrative that these debates don’t really matter much. Far more influential, to me, is most of the media’s inability to either see, or tell the truth about, how far to the right the Republican Party has shifted in the last 20 years.

Obama’s best line came when he told Romney, “You seem to want to import the foreign policies of the 1980s, just like the social policies of the 1950s and the economic policies of the 1920s.” That wasn’t just a good zinger, it’s a great summary of what’s at stake in this election. I hope voters ignore the supposedly savvy horse race coverage of this crucial debate, and pay attention to Romney’s lack of core convictions on foreign policy or anything else.

Wondering why you guys aren't killing your boy for this this morning?

He backed off all his tough talk and snuggled with Obama. Where is the angst from our board Conservatives who were thinking Mitt was going to take Romney to task on foreign policy last night? Would you like me to go back and find your posts where you were expecting a tough hammering?

I mean if it upset Glenn Beck something is wrong.
 

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I am glad to know that mitt agrees with Obama so much.No, really.Why vote?
— Glenn Beck (@glennbeck) October 23, 2012
 
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