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We were -10.5 ATS for this game, not sure where that ranks in our history for upsets (especially on the road) but it has to be up there. A team missing 5 starters on O and another 2 or 3 on D should not be winning these games on the road against teams with winning records. For a team that consistently underachieves and plays uninspired football, yesterday was a pleasant surprise. Plus, any time you can potentially ruin the Foreskins season, it's a good thing. Yesterday was their 3rd straight loss and after a miracle start of 7-2, they now look like a team that is on life support for making the postseason. Dan Quinn has egg on his face today.

1) Hats off to Cooper Rush for playing his best game so far this year. Missing two starting OL's, a starting TE and a starting WR and he was pretty solid. Didnt throw multiple balls to the other team and didnt take any stupid sacks. Two td passes (although give credit to Tolbert and Schoonmaker too, those were not easy catches). Still doesn't have enough arm strength and never will, but I think he is now 6-3 as a starting QB. Not bad for a backup at all.

2) Really solid job by the OL, in a game where two backups started at G and a 3rd backup played quite a bit at LT. Opened up some decent holes for Dowdle and gave Rush plenty of time on most passes to find open guys. Guyton had a few penalties (incl two for illegal formation, which shouldnt happen) but the holding call against him was complete BS. Beebe appeared to have a really good game blocking, but for the first time all yr had some snap problems. Gotta fix that. I thought both backup G's had solid games.

3) Hats off to the receivers and TE's as a whole, they helped make Rush look pretty good with several excellent caches. Tolbert had the one bad 3rd down drop in the redzone but made amends with a great TD catch on a ball behind him later on. Lamb made a sensational adjustment to cut off a ball that seemed destined to be picked and Schoonmaker turned a not so great throw into a TD. Jalen Brooks also made a nice long catch on a ball that was underthrown but somehow got in between two defenders. We also have our first return on Jones' great 4th rd pick investment Jonathan Mingo, made a nice sideline grab of a low throw for his 1st catch as a Cowboy.

4) Speaking of Schoonmaker, he was an afterthought a few weeks ago and was reportedly in Schottenheimer's doghouse for whatever reason, but in the two games he's gotten extensive work as the #1 TE he has looked pretty solid. Blocking was decent and he has 9 catches for 111 yds and TD since Ferguson got hurt. Spann Ford also had a solid game. This staff will never figure out how to truly incorporate 2TE sets into the passing game, but our TE group is pretty solid now.

4) I think it's becoming obvious McCarthy has had it with Fassell. It won't matter because fat man is obviously gone too, but otherwise I think Fassell would be fired. If he didnt have the best kicker and return guy in the league (and credit to him for finding them) his ST unit this year would be an utter disaster. After the stupid kickoff out of bounds (which was ordered by Fassell to directional kick that), afterward you could clearly see an irritated McCarthy yell "kick it fucking straight" to Fassell. They had one of those all-time bad games other than the kick returns for TDs. Blocked FG, blocked punt, missed chip shot FG, nearly had another FG blocked on the SAME block scheme by Washington), kickoff out of bounds. Juanyeh Thomas had his Randall Williams moment, but CLEARLY should have just caught it and fell down, something his dumbass coach didnt advise him of apparently. Fassell also called the blown fake punts ain recent weeks as well as the ridiculous kickoff reverse (which flopped) and the countless penalties we've seen on ST are on him too.

5) Like I mentioned in the game thread, the first 56 mins defensively were as good as we have seen this year, then it was completely wasted by 4 mins of some of the worst defense you could ever see. Washington scored two tds and a FG in three and half minutes of game action. This is what Mike Zimmer is, he is the absolute WORST defensive coordinator that's ever existed when coaching with 4th qtr leads. They took their foot off the gas and nearly blew the game completely. GROZ can't happen soon enough.

6) For the 2nd time in 3 games, Parsons had 2 sacks and was a pretty big factor. Really nice game from fill-in CB Josh Butler (led team with 12 tackles and 3 pass breakups). Overshown had another sack (tied for team lead now with Parsons at 5), Mazi and Odiggy inside played well and the lightbulb definitely seems to have come on for Smith. Uneventful game for Bland in his return but it appeared he was moving well, although it was obvious Skins gameplan was to basically ignore him and go after Butler. Doesnt get much press, but DE Chauncey Golden is a nice rotational type piece for us. Had a pick and knocked down another pass, he holds up decent v the run too. He's a free agent after the season, but if not too expensive he is definitely worth an extension to stay.

7) Officiating didnt end up costing us the game obviously, but how many times can refs mis-spot a ball on what should have been move the stick plays? I think there 3 or 4 of them yesterday and on at least a couple of them, we got stuffed for losses on 3rd down and had to punt. Refs somehow missed a Redskin defender (Luvo I think) throwing a fucking haymaker well after a play was over. Guyton was called for a completely bogus holding call that wiped out a 1st down conversion throw to Lamb. On one punt the Redskin up back completely hogtied and threw down our rush guy right in front of the punter. WTF was that on Dowdle's fumble? How long does it take to blow the fucking whistle when a guy has 6 guys on him and not going anywhere? Then to finish the game the refs inexplicably didnt review the kickoff return where Ekeler got KO'd and appeared to fumble, with our guys clearly recovering. Most weeks this yr we have been blown out so bad that the refs don't matter, but it almost did matter yesterday.

8) Defense melted down late as noted, but The Foreskins were one of the league's leading rushing teams coming in and their RB's gained only 57 yds on 17 carries. Good run defense for the most part, although we got torched by Jayden Daniels for 74 on 7 carries and a poorly defensed 17 yd TD run.

9) Two really lame play calls for Trey Lance when he was in the game. If that's the intent of how they want to use him, then don't play him. Neither of those plays had any chance whatsoever.

10) Another solid all around game for Rico Dowdle. The fumble was kind of bullshit (as mentioned above). Dowdle got 86 yds on 19 carries and his longest run was only 9 yds, pretty consistent 3-6 yds per rush, which is a huge positive. On the downside, Elliott was a complete nothing burger again with 3 wasted carries for 6 yds. Shouldn't be on the team and they'd be FAR better off giving his snaps/plays to Luepke.

11) Honestly, who wouldn't be surprised if we lost Thursday to the lowly Giants? We should win (even with a bunch of backups playing) but we all know this team too well. That said, if they win they're 5-7 with games at home v Bengals, at Carolina and then home v Tampa, all teams with losing records I guess anything could happen.

People (not just here) whine about winning and messing up "draft position" but beating the Foreskins will never be frowned upon by me. There are no Troy Aikman's or John Elway's in this draft anyway (and not even close at that), and to me that's the ONLY type of situation that warrants making no effort to win games. Even then, nobody does that with 6 to 8 games left in a season anyway. Dan Quinn deserved a big fuck you for that bullshit defensive gameplan v Green Bay last January, and he got it.
 

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Good post buddy but, to be honest, I stopped watching after the first half; I had family matters to tend to and just wasn't going to watch Jerry's abortion.

Having said that, I'm the opposite of others on the board. I want this team to win out with a scrub backup just to magnify how handicapped we are at the QB position long term. We may not have a QB controversy with Rush, but it will just magnify the issues we have at the position that even a scrub can lead this team to victory witht he same pieces Dak failed with.

PS. We're not losing to the Giants their scrub QB.
 

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People (not just here) whine about winning and messing up "draft position" but beating the Foreskins will never be frowned upon by me. There are no Troy Aikman's or John Elway's in this draft anyway (and not even close at that), and to me that's the ONLY type of situation that warrants making no effort to win games.
Forget the draft. A few more of these meaningless victories and Jerry might be tempted to bring Fatso back. Then where will we be?
 

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Forget the draft. A few more of these meaningless victories and Jerry might be tempted to bring Fatso back. Then where will we be?
Not happening.

They might beat the Giants, but I doubt they're beating Cinci, Tampa, Philly and probably not Washington to finish the season. Carolina is prob a 50/50 game.
 

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Isn't the Giants cutting Jones, in essence, tanking the season? I'm always told teams don't tank in the NFL. Yes, the players and coaches will continue to play hard, at least against the Cowboys and a couple more games, but the GM is tanking.

Yes, there are salary cap implications, but it is nevertheless a move that says we are done with this season, let's look to 2025 and let's get into position to beat the Cowboys for Bill Belichick.
 

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Isn't the Giants cutting Jones, in essence, tanking the season? I'm always told teams don't tank in the NFL. Yes, the players and coaches will continue to play hard, at least against the Cowboys and a couple more games, but the GM is tanking.

Yes, there are salary cap implications, but it is nevertheless a move that says we are done with this season, let's look to 2025 and let's get into position to beat the Cowboys for Bill Belichick.
It's 28 million/injury owed if still on the roster. That and just never got better than C+ play out of him.
 

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Isn't the Giants cutting Jones, in essence, tanking the season? I'm always told teams don't tank in the NFL. Yes, the players and coaches will continue to play hard, at least against the Cowboys and a couple more games, but the GM is tanking.

Yes, there are salary cap implications, but it is nevertheless a move that says we are done with this season, let's look to 2025 and let's get into position to beat the Cowboys for Bill Belichick.
They benched him for contract protection, supposedly the CBA doesn't allow for that.

I suspect the NFLPA was pretty vocal behind the scenes about what the Giants did and that's one of the reasons the team granted his release now rather than wait until after the season.

That said, the results were no different for them. They still got drubbed without him, how does an already poor team "tank" a season.
 

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Gnats have injuries everywhere and in obvious tank mode. Nothing surprises me with this Cowboys team but honestly losing to the Gnats would.
 

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It's still tanking.
They were 2-8 with him and he was a big part of the reason why, and were also terrible with him last yr.

They were already one of the worst, if not THE worst team in the league. How exactly is it "tanking" to release a bad player from a bad team.

Now if he were one of the top players in the league at his position and playing great, then benching him could be considered "tanking".
 

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They were 2-8 with him and he was a big part of the reason why, and were also terrible with him last yr.

They were already one of the worst, if not THE worst team in the league. How exactly is it "tanking" to release a bad player from a bad team.

Now if he were one of the top players in the league at his position and playing great, then benching him could be considered "tanking".
Is tanking because regardless of the record, he is still their best QB. When you're trying to win, you play your best players. Even if that player sucks. Even if you're still losing games with that player.

I understand there is an injury settlement clause, but if you're trying to win you don't worry about that. Instead, you put the Jerry Jones blinders on and pretend that it ain't over till it's over. You hope that every Eagles player gets hurt (Detroit just went through a rash of injuries), that the Skins go on a losing streak, that the Cowboys continue to suck, and so forth. That's what Jerry does. He's hoping it breaks the Cowboys' way.

On no planet is Tommy DeVito better than Jones. Yes, Jones sucks, but DeVito sucks more. Also, I think you might agree that Lock is likely better than DeVito, so starting your third string QB over your second string QB, what does that say about their commitment to winning this year?

On a side note, Caleb Williams doesn't seem all that bad. Again, when a QB is there, you take him because there are a myriad of variables that contribute to a QB's success in the NFL that simply can't be properly evaluated in college.

Williams looks to be on the right path. Now, is he going to work in the offseason or go clubbing? What will his new HC do? Lots of factors. But the kid appears to have the tools to be a good one.
 
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